Discussion
Derek Smith said:
...Corbyn was democratically elected. Everyone had a vote, if they wanted to. Suddenly the people had a vote as to who would lead them. There will be no such democracy with the tory leadership election of course...
I know it was a long time ago, but didn't the Tories elect IDS under some mass-voting scheme? They recognised the error (the membership may not always pick an election winner) and changed back to the 'safer' system.Halb said:
When he got in I was hoping it would lead to a more adult logical type of discussing politics in the chamber and flood out, but Cameron managed one QT, and got back to bks as normal shortly after, and looking round at how the brexit referendum went, and the response to the result in life, and the type of posts we get on here...I think that dream of adults talking has been put back to bed for a while... biggrin
Back to business as normal soon enough I guess...
Are you the same Halb who demonstrated the 'type of posts we get on here' and 'adults talking' by asking this upthread- Back to business as normal soon enough I guess...
Halb said:
Yeah but is she fit?
A confused old man at 14:27 said:
Dear ThunderGuts
United we stand, divided we fall is one of the oldest and truest slogans of the Labour movement.
After last week's referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is split.
The Government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.
Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the Government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the Government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.
To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the Government over its attacks on living standards. Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday's referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a Remain vote.
I was elected leader of our party, for a new kind of politics, by 60% of Labour members and supporters. The need for that different approach now is greater than ever.
Our people need Labour Party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite. As leader it is my continued commitment to dedicate our party's activity to that goal.
Yours sincerely
Jeremy Corbyn
Leader of the Labour Party
United we stand, divided we fall is one of the oldest and truest slogans of the Labour movement.
After last week's referendum, our country faces major challenges. Risks to the economy and living standards are growing. The public is split.
The Government is in disarray. Ministers have made it clear they have no exit plan, but are determined to make working people pay with a new round of cuts and tax rises.
Labour has the responsibility to give a lead where the Government will not. We need to bring people together, hold the Government to account, oppose austerity and set out a path to exit that will protect jobs and incomes.
To do that we need to stand together. Since I was elected leader of our party nine months ago, we have repeatedly defeated the Government over its attacks on living standards. Last month, Labour become the largest party in the local elections. In Thursday's referendum, a narrow majority voted to leave, but two thirds of Labour supporters backed our call for a Remain vote.
I was elected leader of our party, for a new kind of politics, by 60% of Labour members and supporters. The need for that different approach now is greater than ever.
Our people need Labour Party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite. As leader it is my continued commitment to dedicate our party's activity to that goal.
Yours sincerely
Jeremy Corbyn
Leader of the Labour Party
The Don of Croy said:
Derek Smith said:
...Corbyn was democratically elected. Everyone had a vote, if they wanted to. Suddenly the people had a vote as to who would lead them. There will be no such democracy with the tory leadership election of course...
I know it was a long time ago, but didn't the Tories elect IDS under some mass-voting scheme? They recognised the error (the membership may not always pick an election winner) and changed back to the 'safer' system.Halb said:
When he got in I was hoping it would lead to a more adult logical type of discussing politics in the chamber and flood out, but Cameron managed one QT, and got back to bks as normal shortly after, and looking round at how the brexit referendum went, and the response to the result in life, and the type of posts we get on here...I think that dream of adults talking has been put back to bed for a while... biggrin
Back to business as normal soon enough I guess...
Are you the same Halb who demonstrated the 'type of posts we get on here' and 'adults talking' by asking this upthread- Back to business as normal soon enough I guess...
Halb said:
Yeah but is she fit?
This is why he has to go. Just where do you start with this cretinous fool?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667717/Do...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667717/Do...
JagLover said:
2.5pi said:
tim0409 said:
It just shows how far Labour has fallen that Angela Eagle is now seen as a saviour. I don't find her impressive in any way.
Angela Eagle in a "big" role seems like giving the ranty bag lady off the bus the job of running the bus company
Andy Zarse said:
JagLover said:
2.5pi said:
tim0409 said:
It just shows how far Labour has fallen that Angela Eagle is now seen as a saviour. I don't find her impressive in any way.
Angela Eagle in a "big" role seems like giving the ranty bag lady off the bus the job of running the bus company
Andy Zarse said:
This is why he has to go. Just where do you start with this cretinous fool?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667717/Do...
I've read it.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3667717/Do...
Erm.
The MP was 'abused'? In the report it says some bloke accused her of working hand in hand with a paper.
That's the slur is it?
.......the whole party is a total joke from the top down to the MumsnetHalb said:
I've read it.
Erm.
The MP was 'abused'? In the report it says some bloke accused her of working hand in hand with a paper.
That's the slur is it?
I'm actually not sure what is going on any more !Erm.
The MP was 'abused'? In the report it says some bloke accused her of working hand in hand with a paper.
That's the slur is it?
Re. Corbyn comparing Jewish people to ISIS, he said
Corbyn said:
Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.
I understand that's potentially a bit of a slur on the Israeli government, but I don't interpret that as insult to all Jewish people. (And everyone in the room clapped when he said it!)Edited by essayer on Thursday 30th June 16:55
essayer said:
Halb said:
I've read it.
Erm.
The MP was 'abused'? In the report it says some bloke accused her of working hand in hand with a paper.
That's the slur is it?
I'm actually not sure what is going on any more !Erm.
The MP was 'abused'? In the report it says some bloke accused her of working hand in hand with a paper.
That's the slur is it?
Re. Corbyn comparing Jewish people to ISIS, he said
Corbyn said:
Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled Islamic states or organisations.
I understand that's potentially a bit of a slur on the Israeli government, but I don't interpret that as insult to all Jewish people. (And everyone in the room clapped when he said it!)Weasel words and degradation of English like this to twist reality into something else gnaws at my soul.
It's Monty Python.
Greg66 said:
Beginning to wonder whether Angela Eagle is going to bottle it. Surely she would want any challenge she makes to be covered on the early evening news.
There does seem an unusual delay. May be a combination of things, including the Tories giving them some headline shelter with their own leadership shenanigans.Could also be they think Corbyn is close to going all by himself, or they're working on something else that isn't Labour and therefore irrelevant to launch leadership. Or just slow to organise themselves, or bottled it.
When or will the Eagle land?
Greg66 said:
Beginning to wonder whether Angela Eagle is going to bottle it. Surely she would want any challenge she makes to be covered on the early evening news.
As somebody really very senior in Labour circles said to me on Tuesday when he got the text message about Angela Eagles proposed candidacy...."Angela Eagle? Angela f
king Eagle????? I've heard it all now" Closely followed by " We have no suitable candidates.. We should have the Tories on their knees right now, and instead we are crucifying ourselves ....it's a disaster" I did ask if there was any sign of the Miliband major returning, but there was no response
andymadmak said:
I did ask if there was any sign of the Miliband major returning, but there was no response
I don't think he'd get the leadership if he did. His brother has put the party entirely at the mercy of the angry Twitter people, and the only way anyone will get the job is through being more Corbynist than Corbyn. It's worth having a quick look at the Morning Star online edition as it gives some insight into how these people think. It's not that (as some people have suggested) they aren't bothered whether Labour gets into government or not. They actually, genuinely believe that hard-left policies will sweep them to victory in 2020. No way are they going to give up their power to choose the leader.My prediction FWIW is that Labour will split, with the moderates going off to form a new party (rule 1: don't let the members choose the leader), but Corbyn and his 50 or so loyalists get to keep the Labour brand. So in Labour heartlands the vote gets split three ways (Old Labour / New Labour / UKIP) and there is the faintly amusing possibility of ending up with Tory MPs in places like Rotherham and Doncaster. Amusing, except that if the white Northern working classes feel disenfranchised now, wait until they end up with a junior Conservative Party researcher from Guildford as their MP.
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