Discussion
D-Angle said:
My Facebook feed is full of posts along the lines of "Cameron told Corbyn he wants him to leave, that's a great reason to keep him" posts. I haven't the heart to tell them that he probably said that to provoke that very reaction from Corbynites.
It's actually interesting to see how social media is so divorced from the overall feeling in the country, it certainly feels like only left-leaning people flood the various platforms with activist messages, and they become convinced that is the overwhelming mood of the public as a result.
This video explains the Social Media Filter Bubble that causes this.It's actually interesting to see how social media is so divorced from the overall feeling in the country, it certainly feels like only left-leaning people flood the various platforms with activist messages, and they become convinced that is the overwhelming mood of the public as a result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vFwaBzER8
It was the same before the GE where everybody in my newsfeed were voting for Labour & the Greens, as it was where everybody was voting remain. I recall one post stating how proud she was that not a single one of her Facebook friends were voting to leave the EU. On both occasions Facebook friends were left shocked and bewildered at the result as they didn't know anybody who voted Tory or to Leave, probably because they have a tendency to un-friend people with opposing political beliefs from what I've seen. Hence the majority of Tory/UkIP & Leave voters that I know just quietly get on with it as it's not worth the grief from our tolerant friends on the left, resulting in "Shy Tories/Kippers/Leavers" which is probably why the polls have been getting it wrong of late.
What the facebookers have forgotten is when Cameron said Corbyn should go, he preceded the remark by noting that if JC remained it would be a good thing for the Conservative Party.
Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
98elise said:
Welshbeef said:
He is a class 1 idiot who cannot spell his own name.
He cannot lead or manage.
He turns up to a far left protest but has not once turned up for any other protests more centrist or right leaning of the party so his focus is narrow.
I felt sorry for him when 600+ MP were making a laughing stock of him at PMQs still he wants his leaders pay not cut greedy bugger.
He wants to give Falklands back to Argentina when they voted 99% to stay as they are - he seems to play the democracy card when it suits.
He championed the Venezuela socialist model --- ahem the country is f
ked beyond belief. The money tree is over and basic survival food water energy are scarce.
He says no to any military intervention ever. That doesn't work being part of NATO not having the 4th largest military in the world.
He gives away a daft idea of our next Vanguard subs - let's build them to keep the jobs going but no nukes onboard. I can imagine Putin falling off his chair in utter disbelief at a moronic chap. Plus possibly thinking if he ever does become PM invite him round for a game of Texas hold 'em.
He really likes the terrorist group IRA
He really likes the terrorist group Hamas
He wanted to go and meet ISIS for a meeting to try to arrest Jihadi John - in a country where we have no jurisdiction and where these mentalist terrorists murders run wild.
He wants to renationalise the railway - with what money & what would he do differently (just saying nationalise without detail is easy and cheery for Facebook fans).
He behaved in a very odd and many would say disrespectful way on Nov11 2015 to the point the press were talking about him rather than what the remembers nice day is all about. He knew what he was doing and even if he disagreed his position is representing the Labour Party and all its voters so you suck it up.
He likes democracy of his members only not the 10million who voted labour based on the manifesto.
He gets in a strop and refuses to speak to the mainstream press so the 65million people don't get his message - he prefers to go "on the stomp".
Idiot is idiot and I'd go as far as saying he is ignorant and petulant and frankly clearly not a very nice man.
Agreed. He is the conservative parties biggest asset He cannot lead or manage.
He turns up to a far left protest but has not once turned up for any other protests more centrist or right leaning of the party so his focus is narrow.
I felt sorry for him when 600+ MP were making a laughing stock of him at PMQs still he wants his leaders pay not cut greedy bugger.
He wants to give Falklands back to Argentina when they voted 99% to stay as they are - he seems to play the democracy card when it suits.
He championed the Venezuela socialist model --- ahem the country is f
ked beyond belief. The money tree is over and basic survival food water energy are scarce. He says no to any military intervention ever. That doesn't work being part of NATO not having the 4th largest military in the world.
He gives away a daft idea of our next Vanguard subs - let's build them to keep the jobs going but no nukes onboard. I can imagine Putin falling off his chair in utter disbelief at a moronic chap. Plus possibly thinking if he ever does become PM invite him round for a game of Texas hold 'em.
He really likes the terrorist group IRA
He really likes the terrorist group Hamas
He wanted to go and meet ISIS for a meeting to try to arrest Jihadi John - in a country where we have no jurisdiction and where these mentalist terrorists murders run wild.
He wants to renationalise the railway - with what money & what would he do differently (just saying nationalise without detail is easy and cheery for Facebook fans).
He behaved in a very odd and many would say disrespectful way on Nov11 2015 to the point the press were talking about him rather than what the remembers nice day is all about. He knew what he was doing and even if he disagreed his position is representing the Labour Party and all its voters so you suck it up.
He likes democracy of his members only not the 10million who voted labour based on the manifesto.
He gets in a strop and refuses to speak to the mainstream press so the 65million people don't get his message - he prefers to go "on the stomp".
Idiot is idiot and I'd go as far as saying he is ignorant and petulant and frankly clearly not a very nice man.
Halb said:
Nice blog I read on fb, on echo chambers.
https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-other-side-is-n...
https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-other-side-is-n...
Edited by Halb on Saturday 2nd July 10:53
Gogoplata said:
This video explains the Social Media Filter Bubble that causes this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vFwaBzER8
It was the same before the GE where everybody in my newsfeed were voting for Labour & the Greens, as it was where everybody was voting remain. I recall one post stating how proud she was that not a single one of her Facebook friends were voting to leave the EU. On both occasions Facebook friends were left shocked and bewildered at the result as they didn't know anybody who voted Tory or to Leave, probably because they have a tendency to un-friend people with opposing political beliefs from what I've seen. Hence the majority of Tory/UkIP & Leave voters that I know just quietly get on with it as it's not worth the grief from our tolerant friends on the left, resulting in "Shy Tories/Kippers/Leavers" which is probably why the polls have been getting it wrong of late.
Those are both very interesting, thank you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vFwaBzER8
It was the same before the GE where everybody in my newsfeed were voting for Labour & the Greens, as it was where everybody was voting remain. I recall one post stating how proud she was that not a single one of her Facebook friends were voting to leave the EU. On both occasions Facebook friends were left shocked and bewildered at the result as they didn't know anybody who voted Tory or to Leave, probably because they have a tendency to un-friend people with opposing political beliefs from what I've seen. Hence the majority of Tory/UkIP & Leave voters that I know just quietly get on with it as it's not worth the grief from our tolerant friends on the left, resulting in "Shy Tories/Kippers/Leavers" which is probably why the polls have been getting it wrong of late.
don4l said:
Derek Smith said:
I think you missed part of my point: there is no £350m. It doesn't exist. It was a lie.
I agree that the figure is debatable.However, you do yourself no favours when you claim that it is a lie.
In fact, I would go further.
Your claim is the lie.
I'm getting fed up of the lies that are coming from the Remain camp. You started out by telling us that we would lose 3.3M jobs if we left the EU. A little bit of examination revealed that these jobs might be related to trade with Europe. Trade with Europe will not cease if we leave the EU. The funny thing is that this was the most credible of your lies.
The incredible lies included the collapse of western civilisation and WWIII.
The thing that really summed up the nature of the Remain campaign was this photo:-
Nobody on the Remain side condemned this.
Nobody!
Not one of you.
With regards to the bloke from Ireland, why should any remainer condemn it?
You state I suggested a specific number of jobs would be lost. I don't remember doing so. What I have said is that no one knows what will happen. There have been suggestions from the big employers that jobs will be lost and I tend to put more faith in what they say rather than, not to put too fine a point on it, you.
It is a non-sequiter to suggest that because trade with the EU we will not lose jobs.
turbobloke said:
What the facebookers have forgotten is when Cameron said Corbyn should go, he preceded the remark by noting that if JC remained it would be a good thing for the Conservative Party.
Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
I see what you did there!!Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
GoBig said:
turbobloke said:
What the facebookers have forgotten is when Cameron said Corbyn should go, he preceded the remark by noting that if JC remained it would be a good thing for the Conservative Party.
Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
I see what you did there!!Corbyn isn't going easily but the way events are going, with tens of thousands of new three-quidders joining to vote for Corbun (probably) for one reason or another, it looks like momentum will be up against maymentum in the HoC in a couple of months.
Advice from Kinnock - life's a beach.
So, to summarise, Labour have essentially bummed themselves into political oblivion?
Balmoral said:
Derek, for balance I used both the gross and the net figure in my posts, yet still you insisted that the figures were a lie and that there is no money. The UK contributes 15% of the EU budget, gross or net, that money is real and exists.
There is no gross figure. We don't pay £350 and then have a rebate. The gross figure is not £350m. At no time do we pay £350. Whilst the phrase at the time of the renegotiations was not cut, 'cause that was politcally difficult for the EU to admit, that was exactly what it was.
I would agree that the UK pays, or paid, more than its fair share of the budget. If that had been the cry of the exiters, I would have agreed with them. My argument here is solely with the figure. Or rather the dishonesty in using it, let alone the implied promise of it funding the NHS.
Gogoplata said:
This video explains the Social Media Filter Bubble that causes this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vFwaBzER8
It was the same before the GE where everybody in my newsfeed were voting for Labour & the Greens, as it was where everybody was voting remain. I recall one post stating how proud she was that not a single one of her Facebook friends were voting to leave the EU. On both occasions Facebook friends were left shocked and bewildered at the result as they didn't know anybody who voted Tory or to Leave, probably because they have a tendency to un-friend people with opposing political beliefs from what I've seen. Hence the majority of Tory/UkIP & Leave voters that I know just quietly get on with it as it's not worth the grief from our tolerant friends on the left, resulting in "Shy Tories/Kippers/Leavers" which is probably why the polls have been getting it wrong of late.
Thanks for posting that link - very interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vFwaBzER8
It was the same before the GE where everybody in my newsfeed were voting for Labour & the Greens, as it was where everybody was voting remain. I recall one post stating how proud she was that not a single one of her Facebook friends were voting to leave the EU. On both occasions Facebook friends were left shocked and bewildered at the result as they didn't know anybody who voted Tory or to Leave, probably because they have a tendency to un-friend people with opposing political beliefs from what I've seen. Hence the majority of Tory/UkIP & Leave voters that I know just quietly get on with it as it's not worth the grief from our tolerant friends on the left, resulting in "Shy Tories/Kippers/Leavers" which is probably why the polls have been getting it wrong of late.
Langweilig said:
The first line, turning up unannounced, I thought, meh not to bad.But then, it's just as though he tries to be a knob. The silly old fool.
Derek Smith said:
Balmoral said:
Derek, for balance I used both the gross and the net figure in my posts, yet still you insisted that the figures were a lie and that there is no money. The UK contributes 15% of the EU budget, gross or net, that money is real and exists.
There is no gross figure. We don't pay £350 and then have a rebate. The gross figure is not £350m. At no time do we pay £350. Whilst the phrase at the time of the renegotiations was not cut, 'cause that was politcally difficult for the EU to admit, that was exactly what it was.
I would agree that the UK pays, or paid, more than its fair share of the budget. If that had been the cry of the exiters, I would have agreed with them. My argument here is solely with the figure. Or rather the dishonesty in using it, let alone the implied promise of it funding the NHS.
motco said:
The argument used was this: the £350M is the fee. Because there's a rebate it is not necessary for this money to be paid in full - there's a discount. But, like all discounts, it is not necessarily permanent and could be withdrawn, whereas the £350M is cast in stone. Compare the laws of physics with the laws of the land; one is immutable while the other is recindable. Don't shoot the messenger...
Ah! I've got it now. The £350m savings per week were for some future date when the price of membership might, or might not, have increased.I wouldn't dream of shooting the messenger. He's already shot himself, or at least his career. Shame he didn't do it earlier.
I don't think anybody wants to go head to head with Corbyn in a leadership contest. It is too far from certain that he can be beaten and, if he wins, the party is dead and the only choice is to form a new one.
The offer to continue Corbyn's policies if he goes quietly is both a hollow promise and a sign of desperation.
The offer to continue Corbyn's policies if he goes quietly is both a hollow promise and a sign of desperation.
ThunderGuts said:
Langweilig said:
The first line, turning up unannounced, I thought, meh not to bad.But then, it's just as though he tries to be a knob. The silly old fool.
AJL308 said:
230TE said:
AJL308 said:
The statement made by Corbyn was quite possibly the most arrogant, disrespectful, ego maniacal pieces of utter ste I have ever heard in my entire life. To associate his own professional problems with the horrendous murder of a perfectly innocent, decent person is off-the-scale arrogance. I mean WTF is this guy about? I don't claim to have the qualifications to make the following statement but; I think he's mentally ill. He seems to have a personality disorder of some sort.
How anyone can think that this guy is fit to lead anything at all is frightening, quite frankly. This man may end up with the power to start wars and have his finger on the nuclear trigger. The Labour Party needs to find a way to get rid of him ASAP.
To be fair to him I don't think he'd start a war, especially a nuclear one. It would be against his principles. He might however get us into a war through sheer ineptitude, which would be no better.te I have ever heard in my entire life. To associate his own professional problems with the horrendous murder of a perfectly innocent, decent person is off-the-scale arrogance. I mean WTF is this guy about? I don't claim to have the qualifications to make the following statement but; I think he's mentally ill. He seems to have a personality disorder of some sort.How anyone can think that this guy is fit to lead anything at all is frightening, quite frankly. This man may end up with the power to start wars and have his finger on the nuclear trigger. The Labour Party needs to find a way to get rid of him ASAP.
Corbyn appears to be a massive egotist. I've never seen any evidence that he listens to anyone about anything or gives proper consideration to any advice he us given. He seems to simply do whatever he likes and ignores everything else. If something doesn't fit with his political world view he simply ignores it and continues in the same direction.
Almost his entire shadow cabinet has resigned and he's not in the least bothered. Totally ignored it. Peoples deeply held beliefs, beliefs which they've decided to throw themselves under a bus for, are inconsequential to him. He has no empathy.
He claims to be a pacifist but I wonder how true that actually is. He stood up in Parliament today and trotted out a 'poor little me' speech in which he compared his own personal work problems with that of a horrific public murder of a defenseless young woman who, by everyone's account, was a thoroughly decent human being. To say something like that is utterly callous and is without the slightest thought for other people. It demonstrates an utter contempt for other peoples feelings, as far as I can see. It shows that you have zero judgement of your actions.
It's exactly the profile of someone would would start a war if he thought it would suit his purposes.
[i]A video published on the internet shows the reporter asking: “Mr Corbyn when are you going to stand down? How much longer can you stay?” Another asks: “Are you running away from the media?” as he walks away.
A visibly angry Mr Corbyn then appeared to lunge in the journalist’s direction in front of camera crews and photographers, saying: “If you want to arrange an interview speak to my press office. Thank you.”[/i]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/02/jeremy-...
Still think he's not capable of starting a war?
He has no self control. That's very dangerous in someone who has power over others. Fortunately, this exhibition of his intemperate habits will probably be the end of his journey towards any more power.
As I've pointed out previously, the way in which he conducts him self seems to suggest that he is mentally ill. I think he has a personality disorder. People with personality disorders are not the people you want having the power to start wars.
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