Discussion
GoBig said:
I Must admit, I saw an interview last Friday on Sky News where the interviewer was pressing him for an answer and he nearly lost it.
I can imagine that he could very well attend anger management classes a la Tommy Saxondale.
Got a link I'd love to see him shaking with anger trying to control himself I can imagine that he could very well attend anger management classes a la Tommy Saxondale.
Derek Smith said:
Balmoral said:
Derek, for balance I used both the gross and the net figure in my posts, yet still you insisted that the figures were a lie and that there is no money. The UK contributes 15% of the EU budget, gross or net, that money is real and exists.
There is no gross figure. We don't pay £350 and then have a rebate. The gross figure is not £350m. At no time do we pay £350. Whilst the phrase at the time of the renegotiations was not cut, 'cause that was politcally difficult for the EU to admit, that was exactly what it was.
I would agree that the UK pays, or paid, more than its fair share of the budget. If that had been the cry of the exiters, I would have agreed with them. My argument here is solely with the figure. Or rather the dishonesty in using it, let alone the implied promise of it funding the NHS.
Here is a link:-
Page full of lies
Claims are listed in order.
BSE said:
3 Million jobs are linked are linked with our trade with Europe.
The clear implication is that 3 million jobs could be lost if we leave. This is a lie. Many products attract zero percent duty under WTO rules. This includes the products that I manufacture and distribute.BSE said:
An Extra 790,000 jobs by 2030
Pure speculation. 5% of my running costs are down to utterly useless EU regulations.BSE said:
Almost 1,000,000 jobs at stake if we leave Europe
Huh? is it 1M or 3M. Make your mind up. For crying out loud, both figures cannot be right.BSE said:
You save £350.00 every year because being in the EU means lower prices.
They have a photo of vegetables behind that statement. This is an outright lie. Tate and Lyle told us that our sugar is costing us more because they cannot buy from the cheapest countries.It gets even worse. African farmers are confined to poverty because we subsidise French farmers.
BSE said:
Britain out of Europe, Your family out of pocket
Vacuous nonsense, but I'm sure that you believed it!BSE said:
Brexit likely to push up food prices
Are these eejits expecting other eejits to believe that European produced subsidised food will be cheaper than food produced in Africa?I cannot believe that even the most committed Remainer would believe this.
BSE said:
Leaving the EU could mean your shopping costs £220 more
Huh? It was £350.00 just a couple of quotes up. They really must think that their readers are too thick to spot the problem. Wait a second... 48% of people were.BSE said:
Risks to your holiday
Well, you remainers really excelled yourselves with that one. Three complete lies, and one half truth on a single poster.- £230 higher cost per holiday
- No more free healthcare in the EU
- Limits on duty free shopping
- More roaming charges on mobile phones
Willie Walsh said that flights won't increase.
The free healthcare is debatable. If Europe wants their citizens to have free healthcare here, then a deal could be worked out. There is no guarantee that it would cease.
Duty free shopping. Bloody Hell, this isn't a lie, it is a monstrous WHOPPER. There is currently NO duty free shopping in the EU.
When we leave, we will be able to reintroduce Duty Free shopping. This claim was not a simple lie, it was the polar opposite of reality.
Roaming Charges? I must have missed it when Japan joined the EU.
Derek, I've spent half an hour going through that list of utter s
te. There are 24 more lies on that page, but I really think that I have already made the point.I can go through the rest of the list if you don't believe me.
As always, if anybody disagrees with anything that I have written, please feel free to quote me and highlight my nonsense with bold tags.
If you find yourself writing "So you're saying..." then save yourself the effort.
don4l said:
Well, you remainers really excelled yourselves with that one. Three complete lies, and one half truth on a single poster.
Willie Walsh said that flights won't increase.
The free healthcare is debatable. If Europe wants their citizens to have free healthcare here, then a deal could be worked out. There is no guarantee that it would cease.
Duty free shopping. Bloody Hell, this isn't a lie, it is a monstrous WHOPPER. There is currently NO duty free shopping in the EU.
When we leave, we will be able to reintroduce Duty Free shopping. This claim was not a simple lie, it was the polar opposite of reality.
Roaming Charges? I must have missed it when Japan joined the EU.
Derek, I've spent half an hour going through that list of utter ste. There are 24 more lies on that page, but I really think that I have already made the point.
I can go through the rest of the list if you don't believe me.
As always, if anybody disagrees with anything that I have written, please feel free to quote me and highlight my nonsense with bold tags.
If you find yourself writing "So you're saying..." then save yourself the effort.
I think if you want to destroy the arguments of others you need to come in with some evidence. Just gainsaying what was said is really not enough.Willie Walsh said that flights won't increase.
The free healthcare is debatable. If Europe wants their citizens to have free healthcare here, then a deal could be worked out. There is no guarantee that it would cease.
Duty free shopping. Bloody Hell, this isn't a lie, it is a monstrous WHOPPER. There is currently NO duty free shopping in the EU.
When we leave, we will be able to reintroduce Duty Free shopping. This claim was not a simple lie, it was the polar opposite of reality.
Roaming Charges? I must have missed it when Japan joined the EU.
Derek, I've spent half an hour going through that list of utter s
te. There are 24 more lies on that page, but I really think that I have already made the point.I can go through the rest of the list if you don't believe me.
As always, if anybody disagrees with anything that I have written, please feel free to quote me and highlight my nonsense with bold tags.
If you find yourself writing "So you're saying..." then save yourself the effort.
Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Further, if London loses its preeminence as a financial market, and there are many cities after our crown, there will be direct job losses. All commentators I've read, both UK and foreign, think it either likely or probable. Indeed, there have been comments from European leaders suggesting they will be carpet-bagging. Then there is the benefit of invisible earnings, again a bit of a negative. So lots of jobs, and that's just in one part of the industry.
You whistle, or do I mean fiddle.
You seem to think that all the problems will be instant. Well some have been of course, but there will be two years, maybe more, of uncertainty before we leave.
If you think things will be hunky dory then I wonder if you would like to buy Tower Bridge.
On top of all that, we are in a period of unrivaled political uncertainty. Where that will lead us is unknown, even, perhaps especially, to you.
One of the many problems with an exit (apart from the lack of plan of course) is that the legal side is unknown. It is new. No one has a clue. There will be challenges.
We blandly comment about Cameron not being willing to press the button as if it is his decision to make. But most lawyers suggest it is not.
So say we get a pro exit leader of the tories (yes, even they have MPs who only care what is best for them) and she decides to 'press the button' of her own volition. This will lead to legal challenges. And quite rightly. The referendum is not binding on the government.
Say, though, it goes for a vote. What if it isn't passed? It will be a shock to everyone when it is but it is a distinct possibility. That will send all sorts of shockwaves.
I've got to write a short series of articles on the effects the exit vote will have on marketing. So I do what I normally do and read research, including a 429 page .pdf. There were also three other in-depth articles I read and they all come to the same conclusion.
In short: short to medium term problems for the UK in respect of investment in particular. They were also universal in their opinion that no one knows what the result will be beyond the first few years.
It seems strange that I haven't been able to find your evidence-led missive on how good the exit will be for the UK. How everything in the garden is lovely and how everyone else is wrong.
Get a grip, look for the evidence and, on a personal note, stop calling those who don't agree with you bed-wetters. Firstly, it is very rude. Secondly, it adds nothing to your argument. Thirdly, most people will probably form opinions as to why you have used that form of insult.
By the way, the most likely outcome, according to my research, is believed to be that the UK will try for some kind of Norwegian option but will have to pay through the nose for it. I bet it comes in at something like £350m a week. Actually a bit more as the exchange rate will probably be well down then because of the protracted negotiations.
As I say, I have completed a lot of research on the specific matter of the effects on marketing and no one, absolutely no one, reckons it isn't going to hit us. On top of that, we will still have to comply with the GDPR even if we leave before implementation in 2018.
Derek Smith said:
I think if you want to destroy the arguments of others you need to come in with some evidence. Just gainsaying what was said is really not enough.
Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
Yeah, I'm not sure in that story it's the populace of the UK who has come off looking stupid. Form is temporary.Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
That's just one point.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/co...
If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
Symbolica said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/co...
If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
Think Tom Watson saw himself as a kingmaker and is now wondering how to get out of this.If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
mybrainhurts said:
If they think poor ol' Jerry is being bullied, why don't they bring Bruiser Prescott in to fend them off?
If he can't knock them over, he can sit on them 'til they turn purple and expire...
Corbyn is the bully who's crying that he's the one who is being bullied.If he can't knock them over, he can sit on them 'til they turn purple and expire...
I don't know what it is but he just has this very frightening air about him. really unsettling. Jeremy Corbyn doesn't give a f
k about anything other than Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour Party is incinerating its self around him and he couldn't care less. They disagree with him and it's beyond his reality so he doesn't care about them. He is letting the party disintegrate because it's less important than he is. People who care passionately about the party are of no consequence at all to him. He cannot empathise with them.Now he has to have a go - violently - at journalists. Pacifist my peachy white arse.
Edited by AJL308 on Saturday 2nd July 21:57
Derek Smith said:
Let's look at facts:
For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
No doubt if the referendum has been followed by the pound rising against the Euro you would find examples of people coming back from holiday with a few Euros left over and finding they didn't get as much for them as they'd hoped. A currency fluctuation does not constitute an economic collapse just because you and your mates happen to be on the wrong side of it.For some reason I decided not to change my £s into Euros for my holiday in Italy. It now appears it will cost more. Then there's the taxes, they've gone up.
Roy, a neighbour, is off to Florida with his kids but, believing that the populace of the UK wasn't stupid, he too did not change his money into $.
Come to think of it I've got some US dollar bills left over from my last US trip, they are now worth a bit more than before. Only a week since the vote and I'm already better off. So obviously (by your logic) the economy is booming as a result of Brexit.
jmorgan said:
Symbolica said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/02/co...
If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
Think Tom Watson saw himself as a kingmaker and is now wondering how to get out of this.If this is true then I genuinely am speechless.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-paid-i...
This is another reason why you don't allow a serial rebel to become the head of your party. f
k knows what else he's been doing that hasn't come out yet.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff