Jeremy Corbyn

[Johnnytheboy]

jmorgan said:

Johnnytheboy said:

jmorgan said:

Kinda stuck, not sure if this one
https://shop.peoplesmomentum.com/products/jeremy-c...

Or this one
https://shop.peoplesmomentum.com/products/momentum...

Love the way the t shirts are modelled by sneery leftie looking models, for extra authenticity.

I had not considered the wearers, they are what they are much in the same way as someone modelling a PH shirt I suppose. Just someone doing something.

I am not sure if there are any Cameron supporters shirts of Gove or May? Plenty of micky takes. The supporters have a bit of momentum, (ahem) and I suspect they are in for the long haul. Dug in like an Alabama tick.....

I'm half tempted to buy the superman one, just to wear ironically.

[jmorgan]

techiedave said:

Neil Kinnock is on Andrew Marr show now
Its good to see that his style of incisive articulate and direct delivery is still non existent.

However I now see where that Peston style of talking comes from

Neil "on the EU gravy train and made a st load of loot and got a seat in the upper house despite being a knob and proud of it" Kinnock?

[turbobloke]

techiedave said:

Neil Kinnock is on Andrew Marr show now
Its good to see that his style of incisive articulate and direct delivery is still non existent.

There's a yarn about Kinnock's early days in parliament, probably apocryphal... he was walking through the corridors of power when one of Harold Wilson's inner circle spotted him, made eye contact, and greeted him heartily "Neil!" at which point Kinnock went down on one knee.

He repeated that act for the press later on at the seaside but went further and prostrated himself.

[jmorgan]

techiedave said:

Neil Kinnock is on Andrew Marr show now
Its good to see that his style of incisive articulate and direct delivery is still non existent.

However I now see where that Peston style of talking comes from

Red Len now, supporting Corbyn. Saying sinister forces are at work to bring Corbyn down. Despite his mob putting up lame ducks.

[Garvin]

Len McCluskey on Marr this morning. Heartily supporting Corbyn as leader. I had wondered if and when the Unions would put a stop to the current charade. It is clear that Unite, at least, are determined to continue with the melt down!

[RYH64E]

The unions and the party members fund the Labour Party, if they want a socialist leader who reflects their views then surely that's their choice?

The bigger problem for the Labour party is that they're increasingly out of touch with traditional Labour Party voters, but that's another story.

[ThunderGuts]

Garvin said:

Len McCluskey on Marr this morning. Heartily supporting Corbyn as leader. I had wondered if and when the Unions would put a stop to the current charade. It is clear that Unite, at least, are determined to continue with the melt down!

It's expect nothing more from Len, the weasel.

[Dr Jekyll]

Derek Smith said:

So people return to the UK after their holiday with lots and lots of unspent Euros? Wow! Doesn't happen with me.

You use the word fluctuation. Well let's hope that's all it is. I'm betting on it oddly enough. With my lifestyle, as indeed most of us are.

Believe it or not some businesses make their money in Euros. To reiterate, a devaluation of the currency (if that's what it is) has winners and losers but does not constitute a disaster. When the pound devalued on so called 'black wednesday' it was the best boost the economy could wish for. The IMF were suggesting months ago that sterling was around 15% overvalued. Part of the reason Greece is doing so badly and Germany relatively well is that Greece effectively has an overvalued currency and Germany and undervalued one.

[rovermorris999]

According to Mervyn King, ex-Governor of the BOE, the pound was overvalued and he expected it to come down to the 1.30's whatever happened.

[Welshbeef]

rovermorris999 said:

According to Mervyn King, ex-Governor of the BOE, the pound was overvalued and he expected it to come down to the 1.30's whatever happened.

The UKs biggest problem for the past 30 odd years has been balance of payments. Low £ sorts that out

[VolvoT5]

Welshbeef said:

rovermorris999 said:

According to Mervyn King, ex-Governor of the BOE, the pound was overvalued and he expected it to come down to the 1.30's whatever happened.

The UKs biggest problem for the past 30 odd years has been balance of payments. Low £ sorts that out

Is this not as "off topic" as much as the last two posts you were moaning about.

[Welshbeef]

VolvoT5 said:

Welshbeef said:

rovermorris999 said:

According to Mervyn King, ex-Governor of the BOE, the pound was overvalued and he expected it to come down to the 1.30's whatever happened.

The UKs biggest problem for the past 30 odd years has been balance of payments. Low £ sorts that out

Is this not as "off topic" as much as the last two posts you were moaning about.

It is sorry.

[VolvoT5]

Not sure that Welsh windbag Kinnock on Marr was the best person to be arguing that Corbyn should stand down. He came across as patronising, bitter and just as deluded as Len Mccluskey who followed him. Plus surely the fact that they are desperate to prove Corbyn isn't automatically on a new ballot means the coup plotters know full well he would win a second time.

Labour party looks set to split in my view. Unless this rumour that Jezza is only hanging on till the Chilcot report are true... and I'm not sure I buy that line of thought as there is a good chance it will be the standard whitewash report.

[Welshbeef]

Labour will split it has to., let momentum have a proper voice and if the public want to vote those MPs in again.

Let the New Labour Party take those 172 MPs and off they go.

[anonymous-user]

jmorgan said:

techiedave said:

Neil Kinnock is on Andrew Marr show now
Its good to see that his style of incisive articulate and direct delivery is still non existent.

However I now see where that Peston style of talking comes from

Red Len now, supporting Corbyn. Saying sinister forces are at work to bring Corbyn down. Despite his mob putting up lame ducks.

Did you spot the bit where Len thought he should be "mediating" between the Rebel MP's and Corbyn group
What an inflated view of himself and his unions worth the prick has

[ThunderGuts]

Yup. What a weasel.

Also, loved the "high watermark of Ed Millibands" line. Jesus.

[Garvin]

techiedave said:

jmorgan said:

techiedave said:

Neil Kinnock is on Andrew Marr show now
Its good to see that his style of incisive articulate and direct delivery is still non existent.

However I now see where that Peston style of talking comes from

Red Len now, supporting Corbyn. Saying sinister forces are at work to bring Corbyn down. Despite his mob putting up lame ducks.

Did you spot the bit where Len thought he should be "mediating" between the Rebel MP's and Corbyn group
What an inflated view of himself and his unions worth the prick has

It's a complete non starter. Those MPs that have openly declared no confidence in Corbyn cannot now volte-face and work with him as their leader - it is just not credible. A split in the Labour Party is now inevitable - if not the rebels just know they will be deselected. A split Labour Party means a split vote at the the next GE almost certainly granting the Tories a majority (unless the Tories continue with their own version of a melt down, but that's another story for another thread).

The irony of it all is that the Unions don't require another Thatcher to give them a kicking, they will have done it to themselves.

[VolvoT5]

It is not about the unions though is it? The members of the party voted for Corbyn and if they want him to stay it is up to them*. The media keep repeating this 'unelectable' line over and over as if it were fact but nothing is set in stone ; a paranoid person might suspect they are just attempting to create a self fulfilling prophecy because Corbyn doesn't fit the mould.

I have mixed views about Corbyn. I don't think he is a strong leader or likely to win an election, but at the same time I do think that unlike most current politicians he has strong beliefs / an ideology whether you agree with him or not. Other than furthering their careers very few politicians seem to have any true beliefs these days.

The problem the PLP have is they want to ditch him but they have no strong candidate to replace him and no ideas of their own. They are basically a group of middle managers who want to stand for election on a platform of the status quo with a few tweaks. Corbyn is offering a vision of change (for better or worse), just as the Brexit camp did.

• though I think militant entryists should be kicked out of any party.

Edited by VolvoT5 on Sunday 3rd July 12:05

[D-Angle]

You know it's getting bad when Neil Kinnock is the voice of reason:

Neil Kinnock said:

"They (the Labour party members) have got to then decide whether they are serious about putting their principles into power by democratic election, under a leader that is credible, in a party that is united, or whether they joined up to a social protest movement that is content to complain, and to turn up to the funerals of communities and industries while the Conservatives have yet more decades of power. That's the decision that comes before these people, who are serious about their politics, which is why they've joined, but they must understand, and they do understand in their thousands, that the purpose of being engaged in politics is to secure democratic power. And Jeremy can't do that."

I'm no fan of Kinnock but his point stands, you're just a talking shop unless you get elected. I do think a split is brewing - if those 170 MPs left Labour and formed a new party, they could potentially have 3 1/2 years to prove themselves as an opposition before the next election.

[johnxjsc1985]

Is this a last stand for the far left and the Unions hence they are desperate to keep Corbyn. A lot of changes taking place and if we or rather when we leave the EU get rid of Corbyn and the far left things will look pretty good.