Discussion
RichB said:
ndeed, but you could argue that they have been elected by their constituents as the person to represent them. If they feel that by crossing the floor they are best positioned to do that then so be it.
Sure. It's not something that keeps me awake at night. I just think that having been elected as a person inherently attached to a party and to a lesser extent a manifesto, that it should trigger a by election. I'm fine with it not being immediate. A slight anomaly, thats all.
gazza285 said:
No it isn't. You are meant to vote for the best candidate to represent your area, not because of which gang they are in, nor because of who the top dog of the gang is. The whole thing has been subverted by politics.
Indeed.Though they could be de-selected by the party, and so Jeremy and co could select or allow local Labour to select whom they like, which might be the same person in some/most/all cases.
"Len McCluskey: intelligence services using 'dark practices' against Corbyn
Unite boss says he believes security agents are posing as supporters of Labour leader to abuse rebel MPs"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/in...
BlackLabel said:
"Len McCluskey: intelligence services using 'dark practices' against Corbyn
Unite boss says he believes security agents are posing as supporters of Labour leader to abuse rebel MPs"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/in...
JawKnee said:
UKIP? Weren't they a party of protest? The party with 1 MP whose leader has just deserted them and now have no real reason to exist are going to take huge amounts of votes from Labour. I can't see that happening somehow...
Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
Why would Labour voluntarily go into coalition with a party whose primary objective is separating what was until very recently a labour stronghold from the union? Combined with the boundary revision due in 2018 this would make a labour government phenomenally difficult to achieve even with 1997 levels of swing to labour at a GE.Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
JawKnee said:
Right, so if the average voter "doesn't give a f**k about politics" and simply votes because they don't trust the Tories then what has changed? Your point earlier about "The majority of the electorate do not share the same views as the left wing nut-jobs that have joined en masse." is therefore totally irrelevant.
These traditional voters either care about the party they are voting for and have been willingly and knowingly voting for a socialist party or they vote because they distrust the Tories and don't really care about the politics of the party they are voting for. You can't have it both ways.
Are you from the 1950s? If they feel alienated by the hard left nonsense of Momentum or perceive a vote for Corbyn as a wasted vote as he'll never be PM they have alternatives; the greens, the libdems and UKIP all have broadly leftwing policies in their manifestos and will be vieing to steal labour's lunch at the next election.These traditional voters either care about the party they are voting for and have been willingly and knowingly voting for a socialist party or they vote because they distrust the Tories and don't really care about the politics of the party they are voting for. You can't have it both ways.
hidetheelephants said:
JawKnee said:
UKIP? Weren't they a party of protest? The party with 1 MP whose leader has just deserted them and now have no real reason to exist are going to take huge amounts of votes from Labour. I can't see that happening somehow...
Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
Why would Labour voluntarily go into coalition with a party whose primary objective is separating what was until very recently a labour stronghold from the union? Combined with the boundary revision due in 2018 this would make a labour government phenomenally difficult to achieve even with 1997 levels of swing to labour at a GE.Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
A few gaffes from Theresa May is going to turn this around? f
king hell.Johnnytheboy said:
Actually I'm entirely wrong.
According to a man interviewed in the Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labo...
as per the articleAccording to a man interviewed in the Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labo...
He said it was “essential” that Labour became an organisation that could “live within our means” and said moving into the black would put it in a stronger position to make long-term financial decisions.
Labour live within their means???
Edited by irocfan on Friday 22 July 23:43
BlackLabel said:
"Len McCluskey: intelligence services using 'dark practices' against Corbyn
Unite boss says he believes security agents are posing as supporters of Labour leader to abuse rebel MPs"
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/22/in...
hidetheelephants said:
JawKnee said:
UKIP? Weren't they a party of protest? The party with 1 MP whose leader has just deserted them and now have no real reason to exist are going to take huge amounts of votes from Labour. I can't see that happening somehow...
Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
Why would Labour voluntarily go into coalition with a party whose primary objective is separating what was until very recently a labour stronghold from the union? Combined with the boundary revision due in 2018 this would make a labour government phenomenally difficult to achieve even with 1997 levels of swing to labour at a GE.Many SNP politicians and members are ex-Labour. Even if Labour don't make the inroads needed in Scotland, there's little doubt they'd both be each other's first choice coalition partners.
Labour increased its vote share in England at the recent local elections and there are still a lot of traditional labour heartlands in Wales. The rest of the population can be pretty fickle. All it will take is a few gaffs from TM and the tide will start to turn.
Don't bet against it.
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On.
b) It's not just about what the English think. Scotland are a part of the UK, their MPs are just as entitled to lead the country as much as any other MP.
It will happen.
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On
Vaud said:
RichB said:
ndeed, but you could argue that they have been elected by their constituents as the person to represent them. If they feel that by crossing the floor they are best positioned to do that then so be it.
Sure. It's not something that keeps me awake at night. I just think that having been elected as a person inherently attached to a party and to a lesser extent a manifesto, that it should trigger a by election. I'm fine with it not being immediate. A slight anomaly, thats all.In this case I think there's a fair argument that by leaving the Labour party they would be able to resurrect the sort of slightly left of centre policies that they were elected to the commons on. By doing that they'd be better representing their constituents' wishes. At least that's how I'd rationalise it were I a soon to be ex-Labour MP.
hidetheelephants said:
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On
"“Let me be plain. We’re not going to do a deal with the Scottish National party; we’re not going to have a coalition, we’re not going to have a deal."
JawKnee said:
hidetheelephants said:
technodup said:
JawKnee said:
My prediction is the next government will be a Lab/SNP coalition.
You think English voters are going to a) vote for Corbyn in large numbers and b) accept the SNP, a single issue Scottish party taking power? Dream. On
"“Let me be plain. We’re not going to do a deal with the Scottish National party; we’re not going to have a coalition, we’re not going to have a deal."
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