Jeremy Corbyn

[Halb]

Andy Zarse said:

Sorry, no. Parliamentary offices don't work like this. She will be "still in it" until the HoC move her. Everyone and anyone who works in the HoC environs knows this. Instead of knocking and waiting for and answer they must have knocked, recieved no answer and used the master key to enter. This is totally against all HoC protocol and rules.
Then we come to this bit: yesterday Saint Jeremy told the media the person in question had gone there to talk to Malhotra's staff. Then in Ronald McDonell's "interesting lil take on Marr" he said the person knew they'd moved out and went to see if the office was occupied (although the records/files etc were still in the office).
So he (and you) are asking us to beleieve that either this Corbyn lacky was went to Malhotra's vacated office to talk to people they already knew had left. You really expect people to believe this? And if so it means either one of Corbachev or Ronald are telling bare faced lied. And also that their people are utterly useless and incompetent beyond human comprehansion.
Using Occam's bluntest razor, the most likely answer is they went to case the joint, got caught and are now lying lying lying and yet still can't get the story straigh. Absolutely beyong parody!

They seem to work how they seem to work.

Interesting that the person that is getting it in the Mail went to lunch with the person who apparently felt 'their office had been infiltrated.
I would guess that there are a few more 'stories' or 'events' lined up to throw, which may be something or may be spun out of nothing.

[ChemicalChaos]

Currently debating both the t-shirt and break-in issues with a Corbyn fanatic friend of mine.

His response seems thus far to be centred around the fact that the shirts were obviously done by some lower-down PR person in Momentum and Corbyn was not involved in any way so it is not his fault. I quote....
"why would someone as busy as corbyn, (at the time) every day going up and down the country for rallys. oversee the whole process of making t shirts
are you fking insane
no campaigning polititian has time for that
you act as if he could just have sat down and called all the distributors and manaufacturers and go 'is your process completely and utterly fair and ethical'
other people should have done that
but blaming corbyn for that is an act of someone who doesnt know how things work, or someone who is just trying to smear him"

I'm sorry, but this just makes him look, at best, like someone who can't keep a track of what is going on. If people were putting my name in t-shirts then I'd make damn sure at some point to involve myself and make sure they were't doing something that would come back and make me look like a monumental plonker later on.

[Andy Zarse]

Halb said:

They seem to work how they seem to work.

Seriously, what the feck is that supposed to mean? They seem to work like professional incompetents, you cannot think this is acceptable.

Halb said:

Interesting that the person that is getting it in the Mail went to lunch with the person who apparently felt 'their office had been infiltrated.
I would guess that there are a few more 'stories' or 'events' lined up to throw, which may be something or may be spun out of nothing.

Or why not build a massive replica Jeremy Corbyn straw man and put the Labour Party inside it?

[Halb]

Andy Zarse said:

Halb said:

They seem to work how they seem to work.

Seriously, what the feck is that supposed to mean? They seem to work like professional incompetents, you cannot think this is acceptable.

That there is no set in stone rule, it's malleable, like most things in a workplace environment. A month after she left she's still in the office and a check to see doesn't seem tat unreasonable.

Andy Zarse said:

Halb said:

Interesting that the person that is getting it in the Mail went to lunch with the person who apparently felt 'their office had been infiltrated.
I would guess that there are a few more 'stories' or 'events' lined up to throw, which may be something or may be spun out of nothing.

Or why not build a massive replica Jeremy Corbyn straw man and put the Labour Party inside it?

Erm, OK.

[Strocky]

Andy Zarse said:

OTOH, all the machiavellian machinations and meddling by the Dark Forces didn't really work very well for the establishment in the recent vote on maintaining the status quo... M

Could it be that it's you who is grossly deluded and indulging in fantasy due to the failure of your own politics to gain any meaningful traction? (Answer: Yes).

That's a whole lot of supposition there, Mr Zarse, it's in black and white the less serious meddling at least, if you think the status quote leave democracy to chance your more of a Zarse than you look

Read up on Edward Bernays to see how the group can be manipulated in plain sight

Edit btw both Labour and Tory administrations have used the same machinations when in power, it's not a left or right wing tool

[ninja-lewis]

ChemicalChaos said:

Currently debating both the t-shirt and break-in issues with a Corbyn fanatic friend of mine.

His response seems thus far to be centred around the fact that the shirts were obviously done by some lower-down PR person in Momentum and Corbyn was not involved in any way so it is not his fault. I quote....
"why would someone as busy as corbyn, (at the time) every day going up and down the country for rallys. oversee the whole process of making t shirts
are you fking insane
no campaigning polititian has time for that
you act as if he could just have sat down and called all the distributors and manaufacturers and go 'is your process completely and utterly fair and ethical'
other people should have done that
but blaming corbyn for that is an act of someone who doesnt know how things work, or someone who is just trying to smear him"

I'm sorry, but this just makes him look, at best, like someone who can't keep a track of what is going on. If people were putting my name in t-shirts then I'd make damn sure at some point to involve myself and make sure they were't doing something that would come back and make me look like a monumental plonker later on.

Especially when it happened the last time you had T Shirts made.

[Andy Zarse]

Strocky said:

Andy Zarse said:

OTOH, all the machiavellian machinations and meddling by the Dark Forces didn't really work very well for the establishment in the recent vote on maintaining the status quo... M

Could it be that it's you who is grossly deluded and indulging in fantasy due to the failure of your own politics to gain any meaningful traction? (Answer: Yes).

That's a whole lot of supposition there, Mr Zarse, it's in black and white the less serious meddling at least, if you think the status quote leave democracy to chance your more of a Zarse than you look

Read up on Edward Bernays to see how the group can be manipulated in plain sight

Edit btw both Labour and Tory administrations have used the same machinations when in power, it's not a left or right wing tool

So you're saying there were dark forces at work in the referendum and that it worked?

[Strocky]

Andy Zarse said:

Strocky said:

Andy Zarse said:

OTOH, all the machiavellian machinations and meddling by the Dark Forces didn't really work very well for the establishment in the recent vote on maintaining the status quo... M

Could it be that it's you who is grossly deluded and indulging in fantasy due to the failure of your own politics to gain any meaningful traction? (Answer: Yes).

That's a whole lot of supposition there, Mr Zarse, it's in black and white the less serious meddling at least, if you think the status quote leave democracy to chance your more of a Zarse than you look

Read up on Edward Bernays to see how the group can be manipulated in plain sight

Edit btw both Labour and Tory administrations have used the same machinations when in power, it's not a left or right wing tool

So you're saying there were dark forces at work in the referendum and that it worked?

All im saying is that the state will use all means at their disposal to give them an advantage over their political opponents, its went on since the days of Caesar

Home rule was on the table (initially by the Lib Dems) since 1915, it took until 1997 for it to happen due to the machinations and political manouverings of Westminster (again both Labour & Tory administrations)

[Andy Zarse]

Strocky said:

Andy Zarse said:

Strocky said:

Andy Zarse said:

OTOH, all the machiavellian machinations and meddling by the Dark Forces didn't really work very well for the establishment in the recent vote on maintaining the status quo... M

Could it be that it's you who is grossly deluded and indulging in fantasy due to the failure of your own politics to gain any meaningful traction? (Answer: Yes).

That's a whole lot of supposition there, Mr Zarse, it's in black and white the less serious meddling at least, if you think the status quote leave democracy to chance your more of a Zarse than you look

Read up on Edward Bernays to see how the group can be manipulated in plain sight

Edit btw both Labour and Tory administrations have used the same machinations when in power, it's not a left or right wing tool

So you're saying there were dark forces at work in the referendum and that it worked?

All im saying is that the state will use all means at their disposal to give them an advantage over their political opponents, its went on since the days of Caesar

Home rule was on the table (initially by the Lib Dems) since 1915, it took until 1997 for it to happen due to the machinations and political manouverings of Westminster (again both Labour & Tory administrations)

Sorry, I'm not getting your point. This is about people going into offices they're not supposed to. You're simply trying to deflect that either St Jezza or Ronald McDonnell are lying. Next you'll be arguing that Malhotra had Schroedinger's office.

[JawKnee]

ChemicalChaos said:

Currently debating both the t-shirt and break-in issues with a Corbyn fanatic friend of mine.

His response seems thus far to be centred around the fact that the shirts were obviously done by some lower-down PR person in Momentum and Corbyn was not involved in any way so it is not his fault. I quote....
"why would someone as busy as corbyn, (at the time) every day going up and down the country for rallys. oversee the whole process of making t shirts
are you fking insane
no campaigning polititian has time for that
you act as if he could just have sat down and called all the distributors and manaufacturers and go 'is your process completely and utterly fair and ethical'
other people should have done that
but blaming corbyn for that is an act of someone who doesnt know how things work, or someone who is just trying to smear him"

I'm sorry, but this just makes him look, at best, like someone who can't keep a track of what is going on. If people were putting my name in t-shirts then I'd make damn sure at some point to involve myself and make sure they were't doing something that would come back and make me look like a monumental plonker later on.

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

[johnxjsc1985]

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

but its not his first offence is it?. Once is a mistake twice ?.

[Bullett]

I wouldn't really expect him to personally sign off who is making the shirts (I doubt Bono does) I thought the whole leftie movement was about being 'fair' and responsible and standing up for the underdog. It shows they don't practice what they preach.

Or they are incompetent.

Neither of which is a good thing.

[Andy Zarse]

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

Well now you know what it's like for normal people who have had to listen to the Left whining on and on and on about almost everything in the entire world...

That said, when a large retailer sells sweat shop produced clothes the egregious boss and rapacious shareholders are branded with the Mark of Cain, shops boycotted and employees intimidated.

When, however, St Jeremy is charged with the same offence, it is no case to answer, his slavish acolytes screaming that he can't be responsible for everything, and wailing that IT'S NOT HIS FAULT RIGHT!

Nobody has suggested Corby is a white devil slave master; simply that once again -and this is a daily occurence - that his organisation is totally incompetent. In short it is indicative of his slovenly, slipshod and bungling approach to administrative matters and basic detail. Voters are becoming more and more aware that Corbyn is a judderingly useless stgibbon, and that's before they even consider that he is a truly sinister individual with an uncontrollable temper or that his politics are complete bananas.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Sunday 24th July 16:34

[anonymous-user]

Andy Zarse said:

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

Well now you know what it's like for normal people who have had to listen to the Left whining on and on and on about almost everything in the entire world...

That said, when a large retailer sells sweat shop produced clothes the egregious boss and rapacious shareholders are branded with the Mark of Cain, shops boycotted and employees intimidated.

When, however, St Jeremy is charged with the same offence, it is no case to answer, his slavish acolytes screaming that he can't be responsible for everything, and wailing that IT'S NOT HIS FAULT RIGHT!

Nobody has suggested Corby is a white devil slave master; simply that once again -and this is a daily occurence - that his organisation is totally incompetent. In short it is indicative of his slovenly, slipshod and bungling approach to administrative matters and basic detail. Voters are becoming more and more aware that Corbyn is a judderingly useless stgibbon, and that's before they even consider that he is a truly sinister individual with an uncontrollable temper or that his politics are complete bananas.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 24th July 16:34

They knocked your £3 application back didn't they

[technodup]

JawKnee said:

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

But it's fk all about tshirts. It's about hypocrisy and/or incompetence, neither desirable in a leader.

Unfortunately for you these are the things people remember. Miliband and the bacon sandwich, hug a hoodie, the stupid things. The funny thing is the Tories don't have to say a word. They can get on with things, save all these gaffes up for the future and let Corbyn, his team and the press shaft each other.

[turbobloke]

techiedave said:

Andy Zarse said:

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

Well now you know what it's like for normal people who have had to listen to the Left whining on and on and on about almost everything in the entire world...

That said, when a large retailer sells sweat shop produced clothes the egregious boss and rapacious shareholders are branded with the Mark of Cain, shops boycotted and employees intimidated.

When, however, St Jeremy is charged with the same offence, it is no case to answer, his slavish acolytes screaming that he can't be responsible for everything, and wailing that IT'S NOT HIS FAULT RIGHT!

Nobody has suggested Corby is a white devil slave master; simply that once again -and this is a daily occurence - that his organisation is totally incompetent. In short it is indicative of his slovenly, slipshod and bungling approach to administrative matters and basic detail. Voters are becoming more and more aware that Corbyn is a judderingly useless stgibbon, and that's before they even consider that he is a truly sinister individual with an uncontrollable temper or that his politics are complete bananas.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Sunday 24th July 16:34

They knocked your £3 application back didn't they

If they did (post-Miliband) that's a shame as it's £25 now is it not?!

[Andy Zarse]

techiedave said:

They knocked your £3 application back didn't they

Err.. I might have gotten my money in last year to become a three quid Trot!

My view is that he should be named perpetual Leader. A lifetime appointment, he could change his name to Kim Jong Jez.

[johnxjsc1985]

Corbyn is at the centre of the storm all is calm mean while in the real world he is causing chaos. Some still think he is a nice old bloke doing his best.If he cant see the Labour Party he leads has now had its membership taken over by the likes of Momentum and SWP then he is either a fool or complicit in taking the Party to a far left unelectable bunch of thugs

[JawKnee]

techiedave said:

Andy Zarse said:

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

Well now you know what it's like for normal people who have had to listen to the Left whining on and on and on about almost everything in the entire world...

That said, when a large retailer sells sweat shop produced clothes the egregious boss and rapacious shareholders are branded with the Mark of Cain, shops boycotted and employees intimidated.

When, however, St Jeremy is charged with the same offence, it is no case to answer, his slavish acolytes screaming that he can't be responsible for everything, and wailing that IT'S NOT HIS FAULT RIGHT!

Nobody has suggested Corby is a white devil slave master; simply that once again -and this is a daily occurence - that his organisation is totally incompetent. In short it is indicative of his slovenly, slipshod and bungling approach to administrative matters and basic detail. Voters are becoming more and more aware that Corbyn is a judderingly useless stgibbon, and that's before they even consider that he is a truly sinister individual with an uncontrollable temper or that his politics are complete bananas.

Edited by Andy Zarse on Sunday 24th July 16:34

They knocked your £3 application back didn't they

At least we can be sure his Daily Mail subscription wasn't declined.

[nikaiyo2]

JawKnee said:

It really is the pettiest thing to to attack a politician for. The leader of the opposition failed to ring a merchandise manufacturer? DISGRACE!!!1111!!1

You know when you're getting desperate for valid arguments when you start whining about T-Shirts.

FFS man he has sights on being PM.

He is meant to be an ethical, caring, socialist, therefore using sweatshop indentured labour SHOULD be important to him.

So it either is down to :

Incompetence, he is unable to get the right people round him, you know people who see the bigger picture, people who think maybe these T shirts will make JC look like an utter utter bellend who is out of his depth.
Obviously JC would not be makin these calls himself, but I would expect it to be with his senior team to have a purchasing policy. Would you not expect JC and his team to have some policy for this sort of thing in place?

I know non have ever had real jobs so maybe this explains it, but you would expect them people who cared, who have morals and principles to make sure they acted like it, they are certainly vocal about others. Or do those standards apply only to others?

Hypocrisy, the profits of the Labour Party are more important than the workers in Bangladesh. Suppose it's like all socialism, some are more equal than others in the global struggle.