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REALIST123 said:
Why? Are you implying that pensioners, many of whom have paid taxes for years and still do, shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Not in the slightest - just that a lot of political debate is around working people, jobs, businesses, and yet something like 20% of the population are past all this (unless they're significant shareholders, I guess). The thought in my head was, if only non-retired votes were counted, how many of the blue constituencies would turn to red, if any? Who are Labour supposed to be representing?REALIST123 said:
Having said that, I'd give up my right to vote if I can also be excused paying tax on my income and assets. It's a high price to pay for something that makes little difference.
We get services, not votes, in return for our taxes, that's why non-voting immigrants also have to pay them.Edited by Twilkes on Wednesday 27th July 16:18
Twilkes said:
REALIST123 said:
Why? Are you implying that pensioners, many of whom have paid taxes for years and still do, shouldn't be allowed to vote?
Not in the slightest - just that a lot of political debate is around working people, jobs, businesses, and yet something like 20% of the population are past all this (unless they're significant shareholders, I guess). The thought in my head was, if only non-retired votes were counted, how many of the blue constituencies would turn to red, if any? Who are Labour supposed to be representing?REALIST123 said:
Having said that, I'd give up my right to vote if I can also be excused paying tax on my income and assets. It's a high price to pay for something that makes little difference.
We get services, not votes, in return for our taxes, that's why non-voting immigrants also have to pay them.Edited by Twilkes on Wednesday 27th July 16:18
Timmy40 said:
Twilkes said:
P5BNij said:
'working man'
I know you put it in quotes, but I always wonder what this means - the last company I worked at, a man started on the shop floor and then two or three decades later resign as Chief Executive on a salary of £1m+. At what point did he stop working?And it's a good excuse to post this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-li8zlTME#t=0m12...I am joking
motco said:
Most pensioners have families with working members and the pensioners just might be altruistic and vote with these in mind. Perhaps they might even vote for the good of the country purely selflessly. Not all pensioners, or any people for that matter, vote selfishly despite the assertion that 'Leave' voters were all old and wrecked the lives of the young.
Yep, don't disagree. Just thinking that the groups of people that Labour think they are representing are dwindlingly small.rovermorris999 said:
It is not the lies that should worry people so much as the true statement that is intentionally misleading. Andy Zarse said:
JawKnee said:
Jimboka said:
I don't think Corbyn has much to worry about, now that Smith is his opposition
Yep, easy ride.Oh wait etc
The PLP need to put up a proper candidate or shut up. Looks like they will have to choose the latter.
JawKnee said:
The PLP need to put up a proper candidate or shut up. Looks like they will have to choose the latter.
Problem is, if Smith is the best that can be put up (I would not rate Corbyn as a leader, more an accidental tourist), and militant have managed to manipulate the process to get Croby to power and provide some impetus to their cause, the Labour Party is in a very bad way. Smith is a chancer. The mass flouncing by the front bench has allowed placement of choice people, not capable people. There are no real heavy weights on the horizon and a Conservative party that could have been ripped to shreds by an opposition with half a brain.I fear this will shamble along in a sad mockery of politics.
Europa1 said:
I saw on the news last night that Owen Smith is proposing to resurrect the 50% tax rate for high earners to fund the NHS. If he believes that will have any impact on the NHS, he is a fool.
A 50% tax rate will bring in less revenue so I wonder how he proposes to make up the shortfall?I watched Smith last night, and if he is Labour's saviour they really are doomed.
Europa1 said:
I saw on the news last night that Owen Smith is proposing to resurrect the 50% tax rate for high earners to fund the NHS. If he believes that will have any impact on the NHS, he is a fool.
Its nonsense and most people (I think) know it.Mind he might be taking lessons frm the £350m lie - make enough people want to believe it and they might fall for it. 50% tax paying for the NHS is no different, and just as plausible a line to the gullible.
It is a woeful corner the Labour party have got themselves in. Where are the credible candidates?
Someone like Alan Johnson would have the current lightweights (including Corbyn) for breakfast.
When is the court gong to rule on the ballot paper issue? I wonder, if they can expunge Corbyn from the vote, someone more credible might toss their hat in the ring.
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