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JawKnee said:
///ajd said:
I really can't understand however how Corbyn fans fail to see how unelectable he is. He can't hold onto a shadow cabinet who all think he is useless. Is there not even the slightest recognition by Corbynistas how damaging this is? No one wants to work for him. This is really not a good look. The damage he is doing to his party now is catastrophic.
The greatest amount of damage to the party has come from the PLP opposed to Corbyn. Barely a week goes by without leaks to the press or snidey articles in the papers from these MPs. The damage to public image this infighting causes does no good for anybody. They could have tried properly, at least for a few months to get on the same side and see what happens but they seem totally incapable. So they mount a leadership challenge and the best candidate they are willing to put forward is Owen Smith!?!?! An almost certain loser against JC. Are they being serious about this or not? The PLP rebels need to put up or shut up. Once all this is over and Corbyn wins again, the MPs will need to back him or face deselection. The membership wont stand for anything otherwise. Gradually there will be greater unity within the party and things will start to look a lot better for 2020.
P5BNij said:
JawKnee said:
Just have to put up with this shower for another few years.
Ah, that'll be the current 'shower' who are busy getting us out of the unmitigated pile of sh*t left behind by the previous Labour shower won't it? Losing Brexit with his half hearted 75% remain nonsense was the final straw for many.
The PLP are just trying to save any chance of the labour party having any wide appeal in the UK before Corbyn totally destroys it. Momentum are as clueless as to how to win an election as Corbyn - they couldn't even organise a candidate at the Totnes council election. Incompetence puts off voters.
I actually hope the 180MPs grown some balls and break away a la SDP, and finally provide some credible opposition.
What is Corbyns view on yhe way forward for brexit by the way - does he even have one? Or is he just watching it unfold in tory land unchallenged or unquestioned?
PS Funny to see McDonnell just now threatening Owen not to split the party. Corbyn has alienated 80% of the PLP and his puppet talks about others splitting it! McDonnell actually sounds quite scared it could happen. It could be a good gamble - once the 180 strong "less unelectable labour" party gets the short money and the shadow offices, Corbyn and his 20 mates and the unions will be on the back benches. That won't last long, will it. It'll be good TV though.
JawKnee said:
The greatest amount of damage to the party has come from the PLP opposed to Corbyn. Barely a week goes by without leaks to the press or snidey articles in the papers from these MPs.
That's because a) he's a crap leader, unable to lead his flock b) he simply cannot do 'the media' and c) he has a long history of being the snidey one himself.JawKnee said:
Once all this is over and Corbyn wins again, the MPs will need to back him or face deselection. The membership wont stand for anything otherwise. Gradually there will be greater unity within the party and things will start to look a lot better for 2020.
I doubt it. They've shown their hand, to then back him is hypocrisy and self preservation. The members will know it and the voters will know it. Not that it's any worse than the hypocrisy of a leader expecting loyalty when he showed none to previous leaders though, obviously.Plus the Tories/press/media will have five years worth of ammo to fire at him. It'll not be pretty.
You're seriously deluded.
///ajd said:
PS Funny to see McDonnell just now threatening Owen not to split the party. Corbyn has alienated 80% of the PLP and his puppet talks about others splitting it! McDonnell actually sounds quite scared it could happen. It could be a good gamble - once the 180 strong "less unelectable labour" party gets the short money and the shadow offices, Corbyn and his 20 mates and the unions will be on the back benches. That won't last long, will it. It'll be good TV though.
I think the reason behind that is that they've taken legal advice which has suggested that the bigger part of the party could walk away with the name and the money. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jere...
davepoth said:
I think the reason behind that is that they've taken legal advice which has suggested that the bigger part of the party could walk away with the name and the money.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jere...
I suspect the name could be tricky, but the short money and being the real opposition is within the power of the 180 PLP - as the second biggest group of elected MPs they have far more real consitutional power than a bunch of daft £3 momentum members. They should form a break away on principle to make the party and the unions come to their senses.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jere...
the next time these gobby little wkers kick off for TV I would love it if just once someone from the media could ask "and what do you do for a living? ". Corbyn surrounded by maidens covered in ink screaming "Jeremy Jeremy" they have no chance of winning a General Election not now not ever they are finished as a credible opposition.
jmorgan said:
People will be "furious" at many things.
Reading some of those it looks like the professionally "upset at the sun coming up inn the morning brigade". Turn the phone off when going to bed or leave it out the bedroom.
Indeed, one has only to look at the constant kettles of piss on the boil on a loop on here. Reading some of those it looks like the professionally "upset at the sun coming up inn the morning brigade". Turn the phone off when going to bed or leave it out the bedroom.
JawKnee said:
Welshbeef said:
Where does he go on he stomp?
As I understand it its labour strong holds.
Why does he spend his precious time focusing on stomping on Tory or Lib dem marginal seats? He doesn't do TV so his message doesn't get to the people so to spread his message and policies he needs to go to these marginal seats heck why not even try as an example a huge Tory stronghold / he must be able to represent the entire UK as a leader if he ignores certain parts then there will be a disconnect. These areas tend to also pay the most towards the cost of the country hmm
Because this is a leadership election so he is clearly going to campaign where there are the most members, no? As I understand it its labour strong holds.
Why does he spend his precious time focusing on stomping on Tory or Lib dem marginal seats? He doesn't do TV so his message doesn't get to the people so to spread his message and policies he needs to go to these marginal seats heck why not even try as an example a huge Tory stronghold / he must be able to represent the entire UK as a leader if he ignores certain parts then there will be a disconnect. These areas tend to also pay the most towards the cost of the country hmm
He is strongest in London which does pay the most towards the country so your point doesn't make a lot of sense. He has support from rich and poor, young and old, north and south. I think his popularity is being underestimated. After all, we all know how accurate polls can be. The only polls which matter are the ones at elections and I seem to remember Labour took council seats from UKIP very recently.
Lab/SNP coalition is on the cards.
johnxjsc1985 said:
the next time these gobby little wkers kick off for TV I would love it if just once someone from the media could ask "and what do you do for a living? ". Corbyn surrounded by maidens covered in ink screaming "Jeremy Jeremy" they have no chance of winning a General Election not now not ever they are finished as a credible opposition.
Oh come on, you need to say it with even more insult and hatred against your fellow country men to make it true. But we mustn't forget that they're the nasty, dangerous ones, right?
JawKnee said:
Oh come on, you need to say it with even more insult and hatred against your fellow country men to make it true.
But we mustn't forget that they're the nasty, dangerous ones, right?
Yes they are and being brought up in the peoples republic of Merseyside I have met them all and they are nasty they are vindictive and they are jealous of anyone who aspires to make something of themselves . These are just the same sort of people who almost destroyed the Labour Party and tried to destroy Liverpool itself. These are not my fellow Countrymen they want to destroy it if they cant have it they don't want anyone to have it and that is the same story with the Labour Party if Corbyn can't own it they will destroy itBut we mustn't forget that they're the nasty, dangerous ones, right?
johnxjsc1985 said:
JawKnee said:
Yes they are and being brought up in the peoples republic of Merseyside I have met them all and they are nasty they are vindictive and they are jealous of anyone who aspires to make something of themselves . These are just the same sort of people who almost destroyed the Labour Party and tried to destroy Liverpool itself. These are not my fellow Countrymen they want to destroy it if they cant have it they don't want anyone to have it and that is the same story with the Labour Party if Corbyn can't own it they will destroy itWe're all British. We all want what's best for the country. You seem keen on pigeon holing and dividing.
JawKnee said:
"These sort of people", "those sort of people" yada yada.
We're all British. We all want what's best for the country. You seem keen on pigeon holing and dividing.
Obviously struck a nerve and we are not all the same some of us want to work for what we have others expect to have it on a plate or spend their lives resenting anyone who tries to make something of their lives. the same people who cannot pronounce the name "Thatcher" without spitting the same womans policies Labour spent 13 years doing nothing to change not a single Union law revoked.We're all British. We all want what's best for the country. You seem keen on pigeon holing and dividing.
JawKnee said:
NoNeed said:
JawKnee said:
"These sort of people", "those sort of people" yada yada.
We're all British. We all want what's best for the country.
Except Corbyn as he like the people that want to bomb us or take away our land.We're all British. We all want what's best for the country.
johnxjsc1985 said:
JawKnee said:
"These sort of people", "those sort of people" yada yada.
We're all British. We all want what's best for the country. You seem keen on pigeon holing and dividing.
Obviously struck a nerve and we are not all the same some of us want to work for what we have others expect to have it on a plate or spend their lives resenting anyone who tries to make something of their lives. the same people who cannot pronounce the name "Thatcher" without spitting the same womans policies Labour spent 13 years doing nothing to change not a single Union law revoked.We're all British. We all want what's best for the country. You seem keen on pigeon holing and dividing.
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