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johnxjsc1985 said:
Khan being threatened by Corbyn spokesman saying he has burned his bridges and he will regret it. What a lovely bunch of people they are.
I agree in one sense, but not in another. It's unusual for senior figures in a party to openly come out against the leadership. The trick is usually to brief behind the scenes and maintain at least some semblance of unity in the public face. If that isn't forthcoming from your subordinates, I can see why you might openly tell them they've lost your support.Dirty laundry and all that, not what I'd think of as good PR, but I don't see too much harm in the sentiment.
If Corbyn wins, will he embrace those who've rallied against them, keep them in the party at arms length or will there be a purge?
Vaud said:
Stickyfinger said:
To those examples, err, guess.
Okay, I'll guess that your postings will drop once school is back.How about independence of the BoE?
Edited by Vaud on Monday 22 August 08:01
Don't agree?
For starters, please explain how we could get rid of "Calamity Carney" or the ever-offensive Charles "Mr Bean" Bean? How about oversight of the MPC?
Far too much power, far to little responsibility, far too much nest-feathering and empire building.
janesmith1950 said:
I agree in one sense, but not in another. It's unusual for senior figures in a party to openly come out against the leadership. The trick is usually to brief behind the scenes and maintain at least some semblance of unity in the public face. If that isn't forthcoming from your subordinates, I can see why you might openly tell them they've lost your support.
Dirty laundry and all that, not what I'd think of as good PR, but I don't see too much harm in the sentiment.
If Corbyn wins, will he embrace those who've rallied against them, keep them in the party at arms length or will there be a purge?
not a purge a slaughter.Dirty laundry and all that, not what I'd think of as good PR, but I don't see too much harm in the sentiment.
If Corbyn wins, will he embrace those who've rallied against them, keep them in the party at arms length or will there be a purge?
janesmith1950 said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
If Corbyn wins, will he embrace those who've rallied against them, keep them in the party at arms length or will there be a purge?
He's a very dangerous individual.
Cobnapint said:
Labour have only ever done ONE worthwhile thing in government - banning smoking in pubs.
The rest of the time was spent destroying the economy.
As noted previously, I wouldn't vote Labour, but personally think these were "good things" done by Labour. I think they were all post 1997.The rest of the time was spent destroying the economy.
Paternity leave
Restoration of free entry to museums
Winter fuel allowance
Northern Ireland peace accords (started by the Major govt, but they kept it going)
Civil partnerships
Andy Zarse said:
Disastrous. Putting too much power into the hands of unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats whose sense of self-importants greatly exceeds their competence.
Don't agree?
For starters, please explain how we could get rid of "Calamity Carney" or the ever-offensive Charles "Mr Bean" Bean? How about oversight of the MPC?
Far too much power, far to little responsibility, far too much nest-feathering and empire building.
I take your points; I think Monetary Policy is best kept independent to avoid politician short-termism. Don't agree?
For starters, please explain how we could get rid of "Calamity Carney" or the ever-offensive Charles "Mr Bean" Bean? How about oversight of the MPC?
Far too much power, far to little responsibility, far too much nest-feathering and empire building.
I don't disagree that governance could be improved.
Vaud said:
As noted previously, I wouldn't vote Labour, but personally think these were "good things" done by Labour. I think they were all post 1997.
Paternity leave
Restoration of free entry to museums
Winter fuel allowance
Northern Ireland peace accords (started by the Major govt, but they kept it going)
Civil partnerships
As a serial Tory voter I agree, I'd also add the NMW to that list...Paternity leave
Restoration of free entry to museums
Winter fuel allowance
Northern Ireland peace accords (started by the Major govt, but they kept it going)
Civil partnerships
XJ40 said:
As a serial Tory voter I agree, I'd also add the NMW to that list...
I have always been in two minds about the NMW but I won't disagree. On balance I think it has probably helped rather than hindered, and we have't seen a crash in employment that some doom sayers talked about at the time.Vaud said:
I have always been in two minds about the NMW but I won't disagree. On balance I think it has probably helped rather than hindered, and we have't seen a crash in employment that some doom sayers talked about at the time.
No, but to pay for it there has been a fundamental depression of everyone else's wages and productivity has gone out of the window, just get more NMW workers in instead.Vaud said:
XJ40 said:
As a serial Tory voter I agree, I'd also add the NMW to that list...
I have always been in two minds about the NMW but I won't disagree. On balance I think it has probably helped rather than hindered, and we have't seen a crash in employment that some doom sayers talked about at the time.I certainly didn't agree with everything done by New Labour, but there were some sensible centrist policies. I'm not convinced that this lurch to the left we're seeing in Labour now, lead by our friend Corbyn, will lead to much good.
It's important those on the far left have a voice and a representation of their views: the Corbyn's of this world need to exist. But they shouldn't be in charge of mainstream political parties...
XJ40 said:
I generaly prefer government to be less interventionist, but due to factors including globalisation and technological advances putting dowanward pressure on working class wages, I think the NMW is necessary unfortunately. I've welcomed the fact that the Conservative government has continued with it, along with raising the income tax threshold.
I certainly didn't agree with everything done by New Labour, but there were some sensible centrist policies. I'm not convinced that this lurch to the left we're seeing in Labour now, lead by our friend Corbyn, will lead to much good.
It's important those on the far left have a voice and a representation of their views: the Corbyn's of this world need to exist. But they shouldn't be in charge of mainstream political parties...
Are you reading my brain? I certainly didn't agree with everything done by New Labour, but there were some sensible centrist policies. I'm not convinced that this lurch to the left we're seeing in Labour now, lead by our friend Corbyn, will lead to much good.
It's important those on the far left have a voice and a representation of their views: the Corbyn's of this world need to exist. But they shouldn't be in charge of mainstream political parties...
I'll add.. strong opposition is very important for government as it keeps them sharp (and prevents extreme lurches to the left/right) - my fear for Labour is that we will not have strong opposition, which will help no-one in the long term. Conservatives would be faced by ad-hoc coalitions with little in common other than seeking to oppose Tories.
Vaud said:
Are you reading my brain?
I'll add.. strong opposition is very important for government as it keeps them sharp (and prevents extreme lurches to the left/right) - my fear for Labour is that we will not have strong opposition, which will help no-one in the long term. Conservatives would be faced by ad-hoc coalitions with little in common other than seeking to oppose Tories.
Also, a strong opposition to the present government would mean that the tories have more stability. We have seen a series of backbenchers stirring things. With just a 17-seat majority all this mouthing off isn't going to help matters. As you say, the danger is a lurch to the right for the tories and that will put voters off. At the time of the next election there might well be financial uncertainty and this won't make voters happy.I'll add.. strong opposition is very important for government as it keeps them sharp (and prevents extreme lurches to the left/right) - my fear for Labour is that we will not have strong opposition, which will help no-one in the long term. Conservatives would be faced by ad-hoc coalitions with little in common other than seeking to oppose Tories.
A strong oppositions will make the mouthy mps think carefully.
davepoth said:
Good god. It's like a cult!Most extraordinary
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