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Yet another aborted attempt at a piss-up in a brewery. It's all a Blairite fascist conspiracy though. 
italianjob1275 said:
davepoth said:
Good god. It's like a cult!Most extraordinary
Only then consider how worried to be
italianjob1275 said:
davepoth said:
Good god. It's like a cult!Most extraordinary
techiedave said:
italianjob1275 said:
davepoth said:
Good god. It's like a cult!Most extraordinary
That is just freaking mental............
Please tell that's some parody site for s
ts and giggles???FN2TypeR said:
That is funny - thanks for sharingFN2TypeR said:
That is brilliant It is worrying (slightly) how he does have people who take him seriously. Hopefully they won't multiply when it comes to a general election (assuming he is still around at that point).
We might be witnessing the start of a new party. If Corbyn does, as it seem likely, get the vote then there are a number of MPs who will probably be deselected next election. They might well want to have a chance at keeping their income and will have nothing to lose if they jump ship.
There is money out there for a new party. There are certain organisations with the infrastructure to support a new party. It has a certain amount of time before the next GE to get itself established.
This is a period which will be studied and written about for a hundred years or more and a new party forming might well be included.
With the tories struggling with the exit, another party could soak up the dissatisfied ones. Corbyn is just the kind of leader of the labour party that might, indirectly, hurt the tories.
We are living in interesting political times. Enjoy it now because it might not be so much fun later.
There is money out there for a new party. There are certain organisations with the infrastructure to support a new party. It has a certain amount of time before the next GE to get itself established.
This is a period which will be studied and written about for a hundred years or more and a new party forming might well be included.
With the tories struggling with the exit, another party could soak up the dissatisfied ones. Corbyn is just the kind of leader of the labour party that might, indirectly, hurt the tories.
We are living in interesting political times. Enjoy it now because it might not be so much fun later.
Maybe interesting political times but what will change?
The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
pim said:
Maybe interesting political times but what will change?
The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
yeh but the weather is getting better this week.The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
pim said:
Maybe interesting political times but what will change?
The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
Corbyn's attraction seems to be that he offers something different from the current lot. It is all a bit incestuous at the moment and no one is saying anything different, apart from Corbyn. But the public can be galvanised. There was a high turnout for 1997, yet it was suggested that the reason Blair won with a landslide was because of the low number of voters, 71%. Historically, the voter turn out has been between 70 and 80% for years. It was 2001 that plummeted to a new post war nadir.The majority of voters who can vote won't vote.They don't believe in the system or politicians.They came out on the Brexit vote and did their bit.Brexit is like a hot potato who to trow it to.
Corbyn is ridiculed by the mainstream press and most of his own MP's want him out because they are scared of their jobs.
Remember Obama's change mantrum? Nothing did change mainstream politics as ususal in the States.
Never mind plenty of medals from the Olympics and a little five year old lad sat in a chair in Syria shellshocked.All he has ever known is fear and war.Interesting times yes.
There's a problem in setting up a breakaway now though. In the days of the SDP, the leaders, the Gang of Four were well known to the general public and were an intelligent force committed to beliefs. Even 'the fourth one' as he was sometimes called by the right wing press, Bill Rogers, was a well known face. In fact it was Owen who was the exception for a number of reasons.
In those days they had a bit of difficulty in getting their message across initially, but the press interest in the breakaway meant that even the right wing press had to cover them to an extent. They used the SDP as a stick to beat labour with an it backfired to an extent, the SDP getting 40% in some polls. I can't see a new breakaway getting the same public support. Would anyone be interested?
If there is going to be a breakaway then they need to do it on the flood. Waiting will hurt them. The vote for Corbyn will be overshadowed if it does happen.
The problem with the labour party from the mp's point of view is that it is too democratic. The public gets a vote and that, it seems, goes against their principles.
I've no idea if the schism will lead to a breakaway. I think the odds are against it, but who knows. Either way, this is a turning point for labour.
I'd like to see the 140 go their own way. It would, at least, generate interest, something the current lot seem unable to do.
Derek Smith said:
The problem with the labour party from the mp's point of view is that it is too democratic. The public gets a vote and that, it seems, goes against their principles.
Maybe, and it might be slightly nuanced, but I don't think they mind them voting per se. They just have utter disdain for virtually their entire demos and believe they're doing it wrong; they should just vote the way the PLP tell them to.They're almost certainly right too, at least as far as the future of the Labour party is concerned, but it seems an outrageously hypocritical position for them to take given who's put them where they are. Same old politics I suppose.
768 said:
Derek Smith said:
The problem with the labour party from the mp's point of view is that it is too democratic. The public gets a vote and that, it seems, goes against their principles.
Maybe, and it might be slightly nuanced, but I don't think they mind them voting per se. They just have utter disdain for virtually their entire demos and believe they're doing it wrong; they should just vote the way the PLP tell them to.They're almost certainly right too, at least as far as the future of the Labour party is concerned, but it seems an outrageously hypocritical position for them to take given who's put them where they are. Same old politics I suppose.
Gargamel said:
Loved this one
OMG. These scenes ARE unbelievable! Kilburn is a watershed. Go back 2 ur parents & prepare 4 Government #Voting4Owen
I prefer the one where a Corbyn supporter called a Labour MP who was backing Owen Smith a "James Hunt" and said he would "punch his face in".OMG. These scenes ARE unbelievable! Kilburn is a watershed. Go back 2 ur parents & prepare 4 Government #Voting4Owen
Derek Smith said:
768 said:
Derek Smith said:
The problem with the labour party from the mp's point of view is that it is too democratic. The public gets a vote and that, it seems, goes against their principles.
Maybe, and it might be slightly nuanced, but I don't think they mind them voting per se. They just have utter disdain for virtually their entire demos and believe they're doing it wrong; they should just vote the way the PLP tell them to.They're almost certainly right too, at least as far as the future of the Labour party is concerned, but it seems an outrageously hypocritical position for them to take given who's put them where they are. Same old politics I suppose.
OH dear, bad news for Jezza.
The Telegraph has obtained the CCTV footage from the train journey from London to Newcastle where Corbyn was video'd having to sit on the floor as the train was "ram-packed" and saying that re-nationalisation was required.
However, the CCTV shows that Corbyn had a seat in a relatively empty carriage, left his seat to film the video then returned to his seat for the rest of the journey.
The Telegraph has obtained the CCTV footage from the train journey from London to Newcastle where Corbyn was video'd having to sit on the floor as the train was "ram-packed" and saying that re-nationalisation was required.
However, the CCTV shows that Corbyn had a seat in a relatively empty carriage, left his seat to film the video then returned to his seat for the rest of the journey.
ralphrj said:
OH dear, bad news for Jezza.
The Telegraph has obtained the CCTV footage from the train journey from London to Newcastle where Corbyn was video'd having to sit on the floor as the train was "ram-packed" and saying that re-nationalisation was required.
However, the CCTV shows that Corbyn had a seat in a relatively empty carriage, left his seat to film the video then returned to his seat for the rest of the journey.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/23/reveale...The Telegraph has obtained the CCTV footage from the train journey from London to Newcastle where Corbyn was video'd having to sit on the floor as the train was "ram-packed" and saying that re-nationalisation was required.
However, the CCTV shows that Corbyn had a seat in a relatively empty carriage, left his seat to film the video then returned to his seat for the rest of the journey.
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