Jeremy Corbyn

[230TE]

andy_s said:

There's no good way to slice the cake - no reservation in the first place

The implication is that Corbyn and his team aren't capable of planning 24 hours ahead. They have no idea what they will all be doing tomorrow. That sounds about right.

[anonymous-user]

KTF said:

Guardian Pick comment said:

We need fresh thinking. Why not make public transport completely free and create a Universal Basic Income. We could pay for this by not renewing Trident and by reinforcing HMRC to collect in full from corporate tax dodgers. These two measures would utterly transform our country.

Joined up thinking right there.

Bedwetting jealous socialist! Spending other people's money! Why do you hate your country so much? Let the shareholders decide how much directors get paid, you should have worked harder and spent longer in an office for your children! The only reason you think it's a good idea is because you don't have any money!

[KTF]

rscott said:

Wouldn't it make sense for the staff on board to remove reserved seat tickets on unoccupied seats - then those who don't travel regularly would know the seats were available..

I seem to recall that SWT used to allow you to reserve a seat on an off-peak train but if it left the station and there was noone in it then guard would go through and remove the tickets (assuming it wasnt reserved for a later part of the journey).

Now I don't believe they allow seat reservations as it just creates more issues than it solves.

Edited by KTF on Wednesday 24th August 11:44

[AJL308]

Toaster said:

andy_s said:

And here's a -1 for not reserving a seat.

There's no good way to slice the cake - no reservation in the first place, lied about the circumstances, made it worse by making up preposterous stories, cynical politicking, who is going to pay for 'very expensive trains' he envisages and why will nationalisation make the situation better - don't you remember 'British Snail'??

It's fking ridiculous that this guy is in charge of a major party (unless it's a false flag op out of conservative central) - he couldn't run a bath and is completely deluded to boot.

Don't want to dissuade you from your view but have you tried to reserve a seat on a fully booked train? you can buy a ticket but you can't reserve a seat

It obviously wasn't fully booked though as there were unreserved seats. Virgin Trains (their boss, even) has made a clear an unambiguous statement that Corbyn and his crew walked past empty, unreserved seats, sat down and did their little piece to camera. He then took seats before the train had stopped so they couldn't have been occupied before.

So - either Virgin or Corbyn are lying.

[Redlake27]

I have two points on this matter:

1) My Grandmother always told me never to trust a man with a beard. So do I trust Corbyn or Branson?

2) As a PR/Media worker, I'm very impressed with Virgin's Comms team. To delay releasing this until the exact moment that BA were bringing the Olympic team back from Rio was genius. It knocked BA off the front pages ......

[AJL308]

rscott said:

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

Wouldn't it make sense for the staff on board to remove reserved seat tickets on unoccupied seats - then those who don't travel regularly would know the seats were available..

Not if they were reserved from a point further up the line.

[AJL308]

230TE said:

andy_s said:

There's no good way to slice the cake - no reservation in the first place

The implication is that Corbyn and his team aren't capable of planning 24 hours ahead. They have no idea what they will all be doing tomorrow. That sounds about right.

Quite honestly I'd be amazed if they knew what they were doing for lunch (and it's 11:45 as I write this) let alone this time tomorrow.

[rscott]

AJL308 said:

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

Which still doesn't get round the fact that Virgin state quite clearly that he walked past empty, unreserved seats. And did everyone standing not in fact realise that they could sit in a reserved seat if it was obvious that no one had taken it? I'm not sure I believe that. I travel on trains very rarely but if I knew that a reserved seat was unoccupied after the train was moving then I'd take it.

Although apparently the timestamp on the video of him walking past unreserved seats was after he'd shot the video on board, so it's beyond the realms of possibility that seats became free later. That's the claim his team are making.

As for taking a reserved seat - I've done that a couple of times on the London -> Norwich train. Once had the person who'd reserved it appear 20 minutes into the journey and ask me to leave..

[Halb]

rscott said:

As for taking a reserved seat - I've done that a couple of times on the London -> Norwich train. Once had the person who'd reserved it appear 20 minutes into the journey and ask me to leave..

He lulled you into a false sense of security.

[MDMetal]

Halb said:

rscott said:

As for taking a reserved seat - I've done that a couple of times on the London -> Norwich train. Once had the person who'd reserved it appear 20 minutes into the journey and ask me to leave..

He lulled you into a false sense of security.

I always wonder in these situations what said person was doing for 20-30min into a 2hr journey!

[rscott]

AJL308 said:

rscott said:

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

Wouldn't it make sense for the staff on board to remove reserved seat tickets on unoccupied seats - then those who don't travel regularly would know the seats were available..

Not if they were reserved from a point further up the line.

Obviously not, but if the train has passed the point the seat is reserved from, then I don't see why they shouldn't.

[andy_s]

Toaster said:

andy_s said:

And here's a -1 for not reserving a seat.

There's no good way to slice the cake - no reservation in the first place, lied about the circumstances, made it worse by making up preposterous stories, cynical politicking, who is going to pay for 'very expensive trains' he envisages and why will nationalisation make the situation better - don't you remember 'British Snail'??

It's fking ridiculous that this guy is in charge of a major party (unless it's a false flag op out of conservative central) - he couldn't run a bath and is completely deluded to boot.

Don't want to dissuade you from your view but have you tried to reserve a seat on a fully booked train? you can buy a ticket but you can't reserve a seat

Carl Jung's once commented in that "Thinking is difficult which is why most people Judge"

I suspect that this press article has been dreamed up by a spin doctor the underlying issues are real so why and be so negative about someone who genuinely wants to improve the lives of others?

In initial comments from Virgin there were 'unreserved' seats that he walked past.

I'm not sure what Carl Jung's got to do with it - are you saying Corbyn mis-judged...?

I'm sure the underlying issues are real - but a. it's hardly the most pressing issue to face our country and b. it wouldn't be solved by nationalisation, even if it could be afforded (British Rail?) and c. is over-egging the pudding going to help?

I'm sure he does want to improve the lives of others, but evidently only in a socialist orientated way...don't think the philanthropy is unencumbered by socialist dogmatism.

[AJL308]

This guy just keeps fking up his excuses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37173048

He said the train manager, "who was a very nice gentleman", had offered him an upgrade to First Class, which he had declined.

Err...so, he was offered seats and refused to take them? WTF?

I assume that it's because he's got some arrogant philosophical objection to 1st class but isn't that just a bullst reason? Surely he wants the workers in the place of the wealthy. That's his whole philosophy for nationalising the bloody trains - surely???

[Gareth79]

rscott said:

AJL308 said:

rscott said:

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

Wouldn't it make sense for the staff on board to remove reserved seat tickets on unoccupied seats - then those who don't travel regularly would know the seats were available..

Not if they were reserved from a point further up the line.

Obviously not, but if the train has passed the point the seat is reserved from, then I don't see why they shouldn't.

Technically under railway byelaws you must not sit in a reserved seat or area, even if the seat is not occupied: (I'm assuming if the reservation states a station up the line you may legally sit in it until that point)

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

[Halb]

AJL308 said:

I assume that it's because he's got some arrogant philosophical objection to 1st class but isn't that just a bullst reason? Surely he wants the workers in the place of the wealthy. That's his whole philosophy for nationalising the bloody trains - surely???

It would go on expenses, so it would be saving the taxpayer money?

[rscott]

Gareth79 said:

rscott said:

AJL308 said:

rscott said:

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

Wouldn't it make sense for the staff on board to remove reserved seat tickets on unoccupied seats - then those who don't travel regularly would know the seats were available..

Not if they were reserved from a point further up the line.

Obviously not, but if the train has passed the point the seat is reserved from, then I don't see why they shouldn't.

Technically under railway byelaws you must not sit in a reserved seat or area, even if the seat is not occupied: (I'm assuming if the reservation states a station up the line you may legally sit in it until that point)

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

Exactly why I suggested a member of staff remove the reserved indicators. Then the seats are available to anyone else.

[andy_s]

Halb said:

AJL308 said:

I assume that it's because he's got some arrogant philosophical objection to 1st class but isn't that just a bullst reason? Surely he wants the workers in the place of the wealthy. That's his whole philosophy for nationalising the bloody trains - surely???

It would go on expenses, so it would be saving the taxpayer money?

It was a free upgrade.

To get around the dogmatism they had to upgrade a family so Jez could sit down with a clear conscience. If he'd only offered that up himself he could at least have been credited with some sort of gentlemanly conduct.

[Rude-boy]

KTF said:

Halb said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/passengers-dispu...

I think a lot of the people (and seemingly Corbyn) in the aisles don't realise that a reserved seat is fair game if the person who reserved it doesn't turn up.

As a rule i usually reserve and get just the seat i want.

Sometimes someone else is in 'my' reserved seat when i get on the train and there are other empty seats about. Do i:-

a) Stand there in the aisle brandishing my ticket tutting as I look between it, the face of the 'criminal in my place' and the seat number; or

b) Verbally assault the said miscreant whilst trying to ensure that as may flecks of spittle attach themselves to them; or

c) look for a seat nearby and plonk myself there, being prepared to move/discuss it with the person who reserved it when and if they turn up?

In reality you can often find a 'spare' reserved seat. All you have to do is look at the little card which tells you where they will be getting on and be prepared to move if the train has not already stopped there.

It really isn't hard!!!

In fact about the only time i have ever asked anyone to move from a seat i have reserved was when there were 8 of us, 4 on each side of the aisle and they had taken one of our reserved seats and spread their life out on the table. To be fair we were polite and they were apologetic.

[KTF]

Halb said:

It would go on expenses, so it would be saving the taxpayer money?

He wouldnt have had to pay any more as it would have been a free upgrade. Its was more probably due to his people thinking that the media would then make a big stink about the 'man of the people not sitting with the great unwashed' or something like that.

[RYH64E]

andy_s said:

Halb said:

AJL308 said:

I assume that it's because he's got some arrogant philosophical objection to 1st class but isn't that just a bullst reason? Surely he wants the workers in the place of the wealthy. That's his whole philosophy for nationalising the bloody trains - surely???

It would go on expenses, so it would be saving the taxpayer money?

It was a free upgrade.

To get around the dogmatism they had to upgrade a family so Jez could sit down with a clear conscience. If he'd only offered that up himself he could at least have been credited with some sort of gentlemanly conduct.

Does anyone think that they actually relocated a family to free up seats for JC and his entourage? In the photos there looked to be plenty of free seats available without any need for upgrades.