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Cobnapint said:
davepoth said:
The Purge starts in roughly 12 hours then.
Burnhams got his bid at avoiding the anti-aircraft guns in early by saying the party should respect the outcome of the vote and work with the leader, bla bla bla.He's done an interview with Sky and is just about to appear on the Beeb.
- work with the leader and try to make the best of a very bad job.
- gang up, leave the party and set up an alternative left of centre political party (or join the LibDems).
- do nothing and wait like rabbits in the headlights for the inevitable or resign beforehand.
The vast majority of Labour MPs do not have the gumption or an alternative prospective leader to undertake the second option. Those with morals but no ability will undertake the third option. Those slimy toads of no morals or integrity will go for the first option.
Place your bets now.
Garvin said:
Burnham et al have three choices:
- work with the leader and try to make the best of a very bad job.
- gang up, leave the party and set up an alternative left of centre political party (or join the LibDems).
- do nothing and wait like rabbits in the headlights for the inevitable or resign beforehand.
The vast majority of Labour MPs do not have the gumption or an alternative prospective leader to undertake the second option. Those with morals but no ability will undertake the third option. Those slimy toads of no morals or integrity will go for the first option.
Place your bets now.
Sadly I think you're right about option 2. I'm sure many give it consideration, but none have the balls or gumption (good word) to make it happen. - work with the leader and try to make the best of a very bad job.
- gang up, leave the party and set up an alternative left of centre political party (or join the LibDems).
- do nothing and wait like rabbits in the headlights for the inevitable or resign beforehand.
The vast majority of Labour MPs do not have the gumption or an alternative prospective leader to undertake the second option. Those with morals but no ability will undertake the third option. Those slimy toads of no morals or integrity will go for the first option.
Place your bets now.
They don't have a stand out alternative leader do they. Owen was always an "anyone but Jeremy" candidate which looks set to fall short of even denting his majority. That JC may now get >60% and more than last time will likely cement him in place until 2020, and ultimate dispatch.
Option 2 would be the most exciting option for the country. But who could lead it?
Alan Johnson is the only Labour MP that springs to mind with any gravitas, but he seems uninterested.
ThunderGuts said:
Welshbeef said:
Jaw
How does nationalising the Railways increase capacity between 6.30-9am and 4.30-7pm? Which is where there are capacity issues (I travel all times of the day on the London to Reading route and the 6am always get a seat sometimes a whole carridge to myself, then 9.30-4pm ish always plenty of seats really really loads of seats.
But rush hour is standing room only.
You won't get a reply.How does nationalising the Railways increase capacity between 6.30-9am and 4.30-7pm? Which is where there are capacity issues (I travel all times of the day on the London to Reading route and the 6am always get a seat sometimes a whole carridge to myself, then 9.30-4pm ish always plenty of seats really really loads of seats.
But rush hour is standing room only.
This is where 'people' fall down: how it will be made to happen.
They're all to happy to moan that it should... but how... steady on there!
How many UKIP voters costed the promises of Farage for a larger army, more prisons, lots more police officer and a massive investment in the NHS? Of those who did, how many were put off?
How many worked out the likely cost of exit from the EU? It was generally accepted that it would cost something but many suggested esoteric reasons for voting out.
Derek Smith said:
I think you miss the point. The method is of no concern. People just want the railways renationalised, or rather, to be more accurate, not contracted to private industry. It is a vote catcher. That's the sole reason for its introduction.
How many UKIP voters costed the promises of Farage for a larger army, more prisons, lots more police officer and a massive investment in the NHS? Of those who did, how many were put off?
How many worked out the likely cost of exit from the EU? It was generally accepted that it would cost something but many suggested esoteric reasons for voting out.
So renationalise just because. How many UKIP voters costed the promises of Farage for a larger army, more prisons, lots more police officer and a massive investment in the NHS? Of those who did, how many were put off?
How many worked out the likely cost of exit from the EU? It was generally accepted that it would cost something but many suggested esoteric reasons for voting out.
That's not the impression I had - it was to take the profits from the private companies and invest hat into the railways - how on what ? I'm guessing salaries.
However Corbyn specifically made a point about it being overcrowded and that by renationalising hey would sort it out. But they will not they have nothing tangible heck not even any ideas as to what they will do? That is the worry.
Also the additional cost to be tax payer - the additional debt and debt interest to renationalise.
If he has a genuine solution I think everyone would welcome it share the wealth and let the govt steal with pride. The public will know it's a labour idea so help them being a govt in waiting. Not sharing raises question marks is it bluff and bluster or dictat
98elise said:
JawKnee said:
Big day today. Corbyn to win again strengthening his mandate to lead even further. Then focus can turn to the work needed for success in 2020.
Happy days.
At last we can agree on something, but for different reasons.Happy days.
PS are you ready to make that £1000 bet yet? Or do you not even believe yourself
Derek Smith said:
I think you miss the point. The method is of no concern. People just want the railways renationalised, or rather, to be more accurate, not contracted to private industry. It is a vote catcher. That's the sole reason for its introduction.
You missed my point, I think it may have been a tad too subtle 
Corbyn has nothing what so ever behind his pledges. Even those who worship in his shadow cannot explain the 'how'. All you get is 'do it cos of evil rich people'.
Some spotty kid just suggested that Labour now have the best chance in a year of getting elected, due to the strength brought by my old geography teacher Corbyn...
Also suggested 'social democracy' is at an all time high. Is that another way of saying 'hating the rich / employers / anyone you perceive as doing better than yourself'?
Also suggested 'social democracy' is at an all time high. Is that another way of saying 'hating the rich / employers / anyone you perceive as doing better than yourself'?
JawKnee said:
98elise said:
JawKnee said:
Big day today. Corbyn to win again strengthening his mandate to lead even further. Then focus can turn to the work needed for success in 2020.
Happy days.
At last we can agree on something, but for different reasons.Happy days.
PS are you ready to make that £1000 bet yet? Or do you not even believe yourself
This time next week we're going to hit each other in the street - least I think he said that
Oh no he means that the labour movement will be out in force campaigning for err education for all
So if your local town centre is congested and shut off with militant trots hogging the streets you know who to blame - Corby
Oh no he means that the labour movement will be out in force campaigning for err education for all
So if your local town centre is congested and shut off with militant trots hogging the streets you know who to blame - Corby
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