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It's been over 24 hours and nothing from Jawknee.
I am concerned that there are 2 possibilities as to his silence (1) that he only uses the internet when he is at work and his boss turns a blind eye or more worrying (2). After my post stating that I found both Diane Abbott and Emily Thornberry to be "hotties" he has beaten me to it. He could be in the Adelphi in the middle of a 3 some with these 2 lithe lovelies.
I'm afraid for him. Very afraid
I am concerned that there are 2 possibilities as to his silence (1) that he only uses the internet when he is at work and his boss turns a blind eye or more worrying (2). After my post stating that I found both Diane Abbott and Emily Thornberry to be "hotties" he has beaten me to it. He could be in the Adelphi in the middle of a 3 some with these 2 lithe lovelies.
I'm afraid for him. Very afraid
P5BNij said:
The new messiah's right hand man shows his true colours once again, being 'honest' is one thing, but having class is another thing entirely with this nasty cretin...
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-def...
He really is an odious little shttp://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-def...
tsidicks said:
Joey Ramone said:
I'm glad you have, because if you add all this financial abuse of the system up, it still amounts to pretty much fk all in the wider scheme of things. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs about £2bn a year. Which is about 6 days running costs for the NHS.
There are bigger fish to fry. Foreign Aid at £13bn a year for example. H2S, which has cost £2bn and hasn't even been fking started yet.
You're confusing benefit fraud with people simply being entitled to too many benefits - when people are complaining about a cap on benefits which is not so much higher than average household income, then things are clearly wrong. The fact that 2/3rds of all household collect some form of benefit just shows how ridiculous things are.k all in the wider scheme of things. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs about £2bn a year. Which is about 6 days running costs for the NHS.There are bigger fish to fry. Foreign Aid at £13bn a year for example. H2S, which has cost £2bn and hasn't even been f
king started yet. The problem of course is that these wages are in no way sufficient to cope with the cost of living round here. (M4 corridor ). I personally don't see how a couple of these young Serco employees or others earning a similar amount could start a family, purchase a car and a modest property and get on with life. Not without quite hefty benefits. Sticks in my craw to say that but I earn multiples more than they do, have a reasonable mortgage, no children, pay no commuting costs and yet still find it difficult to get to the end of the month and have enough left over to put a little bit away for savings. You don't have to be a raving socialist to admit that for many people, wages are not keeping up with the cost of living.
I found myself unemployed a couple of years ago, and thus was trawling the local jobs sites on a daily basis. What shocked me was not only the absolutely limited range of jobs on offer (everyone in Swindon appears to work as a forklift driver) but the appalling pay even for the apparently high-end ones (IT management et al). `That was a real eye opener.
Having said all that, I'm about as ideologically opposed to Corbyn as it's possible to be.
turbobloke said:
Derek Smith said:
Do you seriously think that the middle classes, the right thinking people to the right don't demonstrate?
I've seen it with my own eyes, middle class wannabe hippies on a demo outside Starbucks; the place was packed at the time.What's been said is reasonably accurate in the round. Lefty protesters tend to do the spitting thing, the abuse of monuments thing, scrawling obscenities on walls thing, shouting, smashing shop windows with a bit of looting thrown in as a form of redistribution of wealth. It's all down to the left's greater tolerance levels
Middle class demonstrators put a PC friend in hospital. Really nasty injury. Middle class offender gets taken to magistrate's court and is found not guilty by upper middle class bench. All in my book of course, as is the description of the travesty of justice.
The middle class demonstrators in a later demo meant that different tactics were used so as not to upset them. Some suggested that the news media would be happy enough with lefty thugs being pushed around and nicked, but caring, concerned and moral right thugs being arrested or pushed back after trying to push officers into moving lorries would be seen as unjustifiable brutality.
The animal rights right are identical in methods, means and madness as the lefty mobs. The sole difference is that the former are more lucid in their excuses. There are extremist right leaning people in the same way as there are extremist lefties. The politics is an excuse, a justification for behaviour that would have been condemned for any other reason, apart from religion that is.
Joey Ramone said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
So when a person on "disability" has a car for himself and one for his wife, a Motorbike,Trailer tent, and two boats plus a couple of holidays a year you think this is far too much. The key is they have four children and we cant let the children suffer can we. Add to that free health care housing and Education its not a bad life. I have long since stopped getting myself into a tizz about this because clearly nobody gives a fk.
I'm glad you have, because if you add all this financial abuse of the system up, it still amounts to pretty much fk.k all in the wider scheme of things. It's estimated that benefit fraud costs about £2bn a year. Which is about 6 days running costs for the NHS.There are bigger fish to fry. Foreign Aid at £13bn a year for example. H2S, which has cost £2bn and hasn't even been f
king started yet. And much as I loathe the feckless w
kers who sponge off the hard work of other people, I bet that most of us have succeeded in some form or another in cheating the Govt of money which we should have paid.Everyone's at it in one way or another, just to different extents.
Even the business owner who has a bit of a fiddle going still contributes to the overall economy. Idiots who refuse to work and who sponge off everyone else contribute nothing and expect their lives to be paid for by everyone else.
Stickyfinger said:
P5BNij said:
The new messiah's right hand man shows his true colours once again, being 'honest' is one thing, but having class is another thing entirely with this nasty cretin...
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-def...
He really is an odious little shttp://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mcdonnell-def...
thttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240922/Co...
Joey Ramone said:
I work in a building that is full of Serco employees (I don't work for them myself). So, private sector employees. They earn around 14K per annum for a full time admin job. The IT support guys are on something equally pathetic. My wife works part time for the local (Swindon) council. She earns minimum wage.
The problem of course is that these wages are in no way sufficient to cope with the cost of living round here. (M4 corridor ). I personally don't see how a couple of these young Serco employees or others earning a similar amount could start a family, purchase a car and a modest property and get on with life. Not without quite hefty benefits. Sticks in my craw to say that but I earn multiples more than they do, have a reasonable mortgage, no children, pay no commuting costs and yet still find it difficult to get to the end of the month and have enough left over to put a little bit away for savings. You don't have to be a raving socialist to admit that for many people, wages are not keeping up with the cost of living.
I found myself unemployed a couple of years ago, and thus was trawling the local jobs sites on a daily basis. What shocked me was not only the absolutely limited range of jobs on offer (everyone in Swindon appears to work as a forklift driver) but the appalling pay even for the apparently high-end ones (IT management et al). `That was a real eye opener.
Having said all that, I'm about as ideologically opposed to Corbyn as it's possible to be.
How do you solve it though? By definition, things like tax credits cost taxpayers more than they give to their recipients as you also have the cost of administering the system to pay for.The problem of course is that these wages are in no way sufficient to cope with the cost of living round here. (M4 corridor ). I personally don't see how a couple of these young Serco employees or others earning a similar amount could start a family, purchase a car and a modest property and get on with life. Not without quite hefty benefits. Sticks in my craw to say that but I earn multiples more than they do, have a reasonable mortgage, no children, pay no commuting costs and yet still find it difficult to get to the end of the month and have enough left over to put a little bit away for savings. You don't have to be a raving socialist to admit that for many people, wages are not keeping up with the cost of living.
I found myself unemployed a couple of years ago, and thus was trawling the local jobs sites on a daily basis. What shocked me was not only the absolutely limited range of jobs on offer (everyone in Swindon appears to work as a forklift driver) but the appalling pay even for the apparently high-end ones (IT management et al). `That was a real eye opener.
Having said all that, I'm about as ideologically opposed to Corbyn as it's possible to be.
Take away all of these pointless, complicated benefits, and you'd quite possibly be able to take those people on £14k out of income tax. You'd certainly be able to reduce tax for higher rate tax payers, which means more going into the economy, which means more profits for employers, and it becomes easier to pay more than that £14k in the first place.
AJL308 said:
Sorry but this misses the point; it's got very little to do with the overall amount of money wasted on feckless idiots but rather, the fact that a lot of people are taking the piss and are living at the expense of everyone else.
Even the business owner who has a bit of a fiddle going still contributes to the overall economy. Idiots who refuse to work and who sponge off everyone else contribute nothing and expect their lives to be paid for by everyone else.
what annoys me is the fact that there are so many people who do a full weeks work and just about make ends meet whilst so many do feck all and live very nicely indeed.Even the business owner who has a bit of a fiddle going still contributes to the overall economy. Idiots who refuse to work and who sponge off everyone else contribute nothing and expect their lives to be paid for by everyone else.
Welshbeef said:
V6Pushfit said:
Burwood said:
Specifically get rid of these mental council tax rates for all business.
Business Rates? And for empty properties - madEdited by Burwood on Sunday 25th September 21:38
Burwood said:
No. I'd happily pay more CT based in fair values. As if currently strands I pay the top rate. The same as my neighbour and his place is much bigger than mine and worth over 10m. Whereas my business rates are set at 40% of the rent. I get nothing off it. If doesn't makes any sense and us wrong.
Council tax should be noting to do with property values, only services used.sidicks said:
Burwood said:
No. I'd happily pay more CT based in fair values. As if currently strands I pay the top rate. The same as my neighbour and his place is much bigger than mine and worth over 10m. Whereas my business rates are set at 40% of the rent. I get nothing off it. If doesn't makes any sense and us wrong.
Council tax should be noting to do with property values, only services used.Welshbeef said:
V6Pushfit said:
Burwood said:
Specifically get rid of these mental council tax rates for all business.
Business Rates? And for empty properties - madThe answer to getting rid of some of the hideous burden of taxation isn't just to increase the burden elsewhere!
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