Trophy Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant

[Art0ir]

Actually if you remove emotion from the subject, there is a valid argument to be made that when handled correctly, regulated hunting sometimes is the only way to protect endangered species.

[ATG]

The emotive crap on this thread about the ickle animals while reveling in the death of some bloke demonstrates some ... uhm ... emotional immaturity.

Culling animals is normal. For heavens sake, the deer get shot in Richmond bloody park in London. "Ooh look at the majestic stag. Hope it gores the nasty park warden who's trying to shoot it."

How anyone can have qualms about shooting an elephant while also perhaps contemplating having a bacon sandwich for breakfast escapes me. African mammals have more value than a pig perhaps? What have I missed?

Given that a game reserve will be managing its animal population by culling them anyway, why on earth shouldn't they raise funds for the park and local economy by allowing hunters to buy the right to perform the cull?

[glazbagun]

The outbreak of common sense on this thread is amazing compared to the Bachmann thread.

[skyrover]

So if I understand correctly:

- Animal population grows unsustainable levels on managed land
- Managing the land and animals is very expensive
- Hunters will pay big money to shoot big game
- The money can be used to keep the land managed

So a win-win for the park and the animals as well.

Not a nice thing to witness, but arguably a good thing?

[MrBrightSi]

We're allowed to be emotive.

We've all seen the big bro-down hugs when they've shot one of these animals.

Wonder if the elephant cracked open a beer and knelt over the guy/puddle.

[iphonedyou]

ATG said:

The emotive crap on this thread about the ickle animals while reveling in the death of some bloke demonstrates some ... uhm ... emotional immaturity.

Culling animals is normal. For heavens sake, the deer get shot in Richmond bloody park in London. "Ooh look at the majestic stag. Hope it gores the nasty park warden who's trying to shoot it."

How anyone can have qualms about shooting an elephant while also perhaps contemplating having a bacon sandwich for breakfast escapes me. African mammals have more value than a pig perhaps? What have I missed?

Given that a game reserve will be managing its animal population by culling them anyway, why on earth shouldn't they raise funds for the park and local economy by allowing hunters to buy the right to perform the cull?

I'm all for the common sense approach, and if managed correctly can see the benefit - as distasteful as it clearly is.

However your analogy is beyond poor. Comparing pigs to elephants is a non starter, because we don't farm elephants for food, and don't eat them when they're dead.

So in summary, you've missed a fair bit.

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

Given that a game reserve will be managing its animal population by culling them anyway, why on earth shouldn't they raise funds for the park and local economy by allowing hunters to buy the right to perform the cull?

I know there are a loads of sociopaths lacking empathy in here but Isn't the issue that the hunters are killing the elephants for fun, whilst presumably the tiny number of managed culls are for the interests of the other animals.

This isn't some carefully managed culling anyway, it's people who like killing stuff killing elephants.

[ATG]

iphonedyou said:

I'm all for the common sense approach, and if managed correctly can see the benefit - as distasteful as it clearly is.

However your analogy is beyond poor. Comparing pigs to elephants is a non starter, because we don't farm elephants for food, and don't eat them when they're dead.

So in summary, you've missed a fair bit.

Engage your brain. The only reason the pig dies in the first place is to provide you with food. You could choose to eat quorn instead. The elephants are culled for one purpose only; conservation. So on summary, you've missed a fair bit.

[anonymous-user]

ATG said:

Engage your brain. The only reason the pig dies in the first place is to provide you with food. You could choose to eat quorn instead. The elephants are culled for one purpose only; conservation. So on summary, you've missed a fair bit.

This isn't managed culling.

[ATG]

el stovey said:

I know there are a loads of sociopaths lacking empathy in here but Isn't the issue that the hunters are killing the elephants for fun, whilst presumably the tiny number of managed culls are for the interests of the other animals.

This isn't some carefully managed culling anyway, it's people who like killing stuff killing elephants.

It is a carefully managed cull. You clearly have no idea how this stuff is organised even in stats that area as chaotic as Zimbabwe.

I don't really care what the hunter thinks. It makes no difference to the animal. So long as the animal's suffering is minimal, why shouldn't the hunter get a thrill from stalking, satisfaction from a good shot or whatever. If it gives them a power trip, that's pathetic but so what? Plenty of idiots get a power trip out of overtaking in their cars. Do we prance around and celebrate when they drive through a hedge?

[anonymous-user]

glazbagun said:

The outbreak of common sense on this thread is amazing compared to the Bachmann thread.

Yup it's amazing alright. Emotionless Spock like positing but unfortunately also missing the logic.

[iphonedyou]

ATG said:

Engage your brain. The only reason the pig dies in the first place is to provide you with food. You could choose to eat quorn instead. The elephants are culled for one purpose only; conservation. So on summary, you've missed a fair bit.

I agree with your point. Given what you've reworded above is the point I made.

I said your analogy is poor. It remains so, as much as the point it attempts to support remains valid.

Ceteris paribus, elephants do have more value than pigs, because they can't be farmed to replace stock. Hence the importance of conservation, as you allude to.

[PugwasHDJ80]

ATG said:

The emotive crap on this thread about the ickle animals while reveling in the death of some bloke demonstrates some ... uhm ... emotional immaturity.

Culling animals is normal. For heavens sake, the deer get shot in Richmond bloody park in London. "Ooh look at the majestic stag. Hope it gores the nasty park warden who's trying to shoot it."

How anyone can have qualms about shooting an elephant while also perhaps contemplating having a bacon sandwich for breakfast escapes me. African mammals have more value than a pig perhaps? What have I missed?

Given that a game reserve will be managing its animal population by culling them anyway, why on earth shouldn't they raise funds for the park and local economy by allowing hunters to buy the right to perform the cull?

All of this

You can't be a meat eater and have a problem with hunting- the two are intrinsically linked. Both involving killing an animal for enjoyment.

Personally i'm comfortable with that fact which is why i eat meat.

When i no longer feel comfortable with that idea then i will become vegetarian.

It is entirely innate and natural that we enjoy killing and eating animals- most people find this unpalatable but it is the plain hard truth.

[ATG]

el stovey said:

Yup it's amazing alright. Emotionless Spock like positing but unfortunately also missing the logic.

Rubbish. Those throwing their arms up are casually ignoring the hypocrisy of their own position. Don't accuse the rest of us of being emotionless just because we aren't emotionally incontinent whenever we see a picture of an elephant.

[nute]

el stovey said:

This isn't managed culling.

Where a park sells the right to shoot an elephant it is managed culling. You cannot just hop on a plane with your elephant gun and start shooting the other end. That's called poaching and if caught you would quite rightly be arrested and spend a long time in an African jail.

Parks also sell the rights to an assortment of other target animals some of which will evoke the outraged reactions seen earlier in the thread and some won't because the animals are either not iconic or are just plain ugly.

Like any similar industry the outfitter/PH should be acting to manage the herd, taking out the old or sick in the main but also generating cash by allowing limited shooting of trophy animals.

It's no different to shooting deer on a Scottish estate.

[johnfm]

Wow, you mean before all the paid for culling, the excess elephants were overcrowding the tiny African land mass?

How on earth did we cope before we started shooting them?

Thank heavens for people who like to shoot elephants and lions. Yay.

[Justices]

I can understand the land not being able to support the increasing number of Elephants etc. There are still obviously more humane ways of doing things.

Now what about the Leopard he is reported to have killed that day? Zimbabwe being overrun by Leopards too? Also, he looks very pleased with himself in that vile Youtube video so I'll be joining the "good riddance" camp for this one. As for the wretched people that cough up to do all of this, I can only hope there's an elephant's knee with their name on it out there.

[Lordbenny]

I posted this article based purely on the fact that I was appalled that any human being could get a kick out of putting a bullet between the eyes of such a majestic creature. You're right in that I do eat pigs, cows and chickens and yes, you could say that I am hypocritical but these are wild animals and whether they need to be culled or not and whether the money does fund the game reserves or not doesn't take away from the fact that if it is a abhorrent thing to do in my opinion.

[WCZ]

anyone who owns a cat and lets them go outside (and subsequently torture mice/etc) has no right to criticize the actions of this man as there is no moral difference

[Art0ir]

el stovey said:

I know there are a loads of sociopaths lacking empathy in here but Isn't the issue that the hunters are killing the elephants for fun, whilst presumably the tiny number of managed culls are for the interests of the other animals.

This isn't some carefully managed culling anyway, it's people who like killing stuff killing elephants.

Ok well stop people paying to kill the animals due to be killed anyway and you can setup a Facebook campaign to replace the funds they need to manage the parks. In sure the £78 will go a long way.