Can we hunt him using an Apache?
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Parsnip said:
TheJimi said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Very sobering. I have a friend from Zim , she's a maths teacher here. She is underwhwelmed by the entire thing. She see's our (western) attitudes to many things as nothing more than hysterical. Makes sense
I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
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Cheese Mechanic said:
Very sobering. I have a friend from Zim , she's a maths teacher here. She is underwhwelmed by the entire thing. She see's our (western) attitudes to many things as nothing more than hysterical.
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.
I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
How patronising.I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.
I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Part of the answer here, I believe, is understanding the value western society places on human life vs natural life, specifically the value of human life of (typically) poorer, less educated people living in less developed areas of the world.I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Should we care more about human life than natural life? I don’t know, but my initial view is it depends....
Should the value of human life depend upon background, education, wealth etc? Whatever your view it seems to work that way in practice.
Some of the bigger things to worry about involve significant cultural change (Spread of Ebola / death rituals / lack of education for instance)
Personally I’ve some more sympathy / concern for the lion(s) than for some of those persons affected by the bigger things to worry about, largely as the lions don't get a choice in the matter whereas, generally speaking, for some of human issues those involved do (albeit maybe not at an individual personal level, but through the culture, policy and actions taken, intentionally or otherwise, of the affected population).
So I agree, a first world problem, yes, but Ive no concern that it gets more attention here than some of the bigger issues in those countries. (Easy for me to say of course sat typing this in a western country)
Neil H said:
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.
How patronising.
You are indeed. Spectacular arrogance. How patronising.
whatever way you look at it, it is very sad that this magnificent Animal died for "sport" but even more sad that someone would travel thousands of miles spending $50k just to kill him and several others.
Can't see him leaving the USA and as usual in a few weeks or even a few days it will be forgotten.
Can't see him leaving the USA and as usual in a few weeks or even a few days it will be forgotten.
Parsnip said:
We are apparently enlightened enough not to really car about Ebola anymore, nor the other huge problems Africa faces, but when a lion is killed, we are all over it. First world problems is right.
I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Your right i dont.I think to put it in perspective, they have much bigger things to worry about than the odd lion. We apparently do not.
Cheese Mechanic said:
Neil H said:
She should probably be a little more respectful of a society and culture that has been a global influence in pretty much every field of human discovery for hundreds of years, whereas her culture...to put it kindly...hasn't.
How patronising.
You are indeed. Spectacular arrogance. How patronising.
Negative Creep said:
wkers. Negative Creep said:
The hand wringers will be mortified. I am sure they are going to hound the poachers who did this just as much as the dentist (not).KTF said:
Negative Creep said:
The hand wringers will be mortified. I am sure they are going to hound the poachers who did this just as much as the dentist (not).Although 100% correct!
Apparently not dead now. The hand wringers can go back to standing outside a dental practice with their pitchforks or being keyboard warriors on Twitter.
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TheJimi said:
KTF, I'm one of those who feels strongly about this. Indeed, I am the OP of this thread.
Why does that make me a handwringer or keyboard warrior?
If he was playing by the rules and paying to control the population in the park rather than have a ranger shoot a lion as they would have done but not get an income from it then why is this suddenly a big thing?Why does that make me a handwringer or keyboard warrior?
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