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JPJPJP said:
killing a giraffe to eat, paticularly a "farmed" one doesn't seem massively worse to me than killing any other sentinent animal for the same purpose
But taking pleasure / pride from the act of killing it isn't a nice trait in a human
Why is it better to take pleasure from killing an animal from the taste of its flesh instead of from taking a photo with its corpse? There is no nutritional reason to eat animals (for the vast majority of westerners at least) so in both instances the killing is happening purely for pleasure But taking pleasure / pride from the act of killing it isn't a nice trait in a human
Nanook said:
Well, there is, isn't there.
You could survive without it, absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying there's no nutritional reason to do so. That's the sort of thing that a militant vegan lady with a shaved head but hairy arm pits would say.
I don't have an issue, for the most part, with people killing animals, if they then show them the respect of using them.
When I say using them, I mean eating them, using their guts for strings, using their hide for clothing, medicinal purposes, whatever.
I don't mean using them to take a selfie.
No, it’s what peer-reviewed scientific research says. A nutrionally complete diet is perfectly possible without animal products. (Indeed many animal products pose a risk to health).You could survive without it, absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying there's no nutritional reason to do so. That's the sort of thing that a militant vegan lady with a shaved head but hairy arm pits would say.
I don't have an issue, for the most part, with people killing animals, if they then show them the respect of using them.
When I say using them, I mean eating them, using their guts for strings, using their hide for clothing, medicinal purposes, whatever.
I don't mean using them to take a selfie.
You have arbitrarily decided that using the corpse of an animal to make musical instruments for your pleasure is more worthy than for an Instagram photo for your pleasure. To me that sounds entirely ridiculous, I doubt its much comfort to the animal and at least in the case of the hunted animal it didn’t spend its life suffering as well
randlemarcus said:
Jasandjules said:
Killing for fun - psychopath.
Where is your personal line? What's your position on pheasant?Davos123 said:
randlemarcus said:
Jasandjules said:
Killing for fun - psychopath.
Where is your personal line? What's your position on pheasant?
k what happened to the rest of it aside from the head or skin which I’d imagine adorn a house in the US somewhere now. On the other hand when I eat a nice juicy steak I’m taking pleasure in consuming an animal but I’m not revelling in its demise. I didn’t eat the steak so someone could glean pleasure from the destruction of an animal and I’ve not enjoyed the act of killing myself. That the whole animal has been used from the leftovers put into pet food, the hide used to make footwear and the tallow used to make £5 and £10 notes is a bonus.Davos123 said:
Nanook said:
Well, there is, isn't there.
You could survive without it, absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying there's no nutritional reason to do so. That's the sort of thing that a militant vegan lady with a shaved head but hairy arm pits would say.
I don't have an issue, for the most part, with people killing animals, if they then show them the respect of using them.
When I say using them, I mean eating them, using their guts for strings, using their hide for clothing, medicinal purposes, whatever.
I don't mean using them to take a selfie.
No, it’s what peer-reviewed scientific research says. A nutrionally complete diet is perfectly possible without animal products. (Indeed many animal products pose a risk to health).You could survive without it, absolutely. But that's not the same thing as saying there's no nutritional reason to do so. That's the sort of thing that a militant vegan lady with a shaved head but hairy arm pits would say.
I don't have an issue, for the most part, with people killing animals, if they then show them the respect of using them.
When I say using them, I mean eating them, using their guts for strings, using their hide for clothing, medicinal purposes, whatever.
I don't mean using them to take a selfie.
You have arbitrarily decided that using the corpse of an animal to make musical instruments for your pleasure is more worthy than for an Instagram photo for your pleasure. To me that sounds entirely ridiculous, I doubt its much comfort to the animal and at least in the case of the hunted animal it didn’t spend its life suffering as well
However, when you go into the generational impact, vegetarianism does have some negative, knock-on effects in relation to chronic illness related to inflammation caused by a lack of suitable fatty acids in subsequent generations
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/7/1726/257...
Rovinghawk said:
The nutritioal reason is protein.
Whether it's essential is another matter, but the nutritional reason exists.
Protein is a reason to eat, not a reason to eat meat.Whether it's essential is another matter, but the nutritional reason exists.
If you want to get from A to B whilst observing the law of the road, oh might need to buy a car. When debating between a Golf or a Ferrari, however, it is no longer about getting from a to b but the ancillary pleasure derived from it. When you choose to eat meat over nuts for protein you are not choosing to do so for nutrition, since both are equally as valid a source. You are choosing to do so for convieience and pleasure
Davos123 said:
Why is it better to take pleasure from killing an animal from the taste of its flesh instead of from taking a photo with its corpse? There is no nutritional reason to eat animals (for the vast majority of westerners at least) so in both instances the killing is happening purely for pleasure
For a giraffe killed in South Africa, I would expect the eating etc. to be done locallyDoes a trophy hunter photographed next to a shot giraffe nudge me away from eating meat / fish / fowl? No.
Does it nudge me (further) into a dislike of killing animals for sport? Yes
I can reconcile those two things and tuck into a ham sandwich with no problem. I can also appreciate why others reach a different conclusion.
Russian Troll Bot said:
Oh well
feef said:
To some extent, as an individual, yes.
However, when you go into the generational impact, vegetarianism does have some negative, knock-on effects in relation to chronic illness related to inflammation caused by a lack of suitable fatty acids in subsequent generations
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/7/1726/257...
The Okinawans (pre-50s western influence) had the healthiest longest lifespan, I think they still do, but it's been tempered by influx of MAD. I would guess that either their input of fish probably helped them with dha and epa. microalgae seems to be the best source for vegans.However, when you go into the generational impact, vegetarianism does have some negative, knock-on effects in relation to chronic illness related to inflammation caused by a lack of suitable fatty acids in subsequent generations
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/33/7/1726/257...
djc206 said:
In fairness they’re really not rare, in fact they are farmed in some parts. I have no issue so long as the animal doesn’t go to waste, if the meat is consumed I see it as no different from hunting deer and selling the venison. Giraffe are one of my favourite animals and I’d really rather they weren’t shot for fun by dim witted yanks but the money that the governments of countries which allow hunting get from these dim wits fund their conservation efforts and as such it’s a bit of a necessary evil.
It would be hypocritical of me to slate this woman for the actual act of killing the giraffe when in May I was sat in Namibia eating Gemsbok and Ostrich and probably a load of other things in Biltong form. The only vile thing about all this is that she really enjoys killing things, that’s not something that should be celebrated.
this ^^^ I really don't understand the killing for fun bit - especially with no risk to life and limb (do it like the Masaii used to and then there'd be some respect but scope, hi-po rifle? nope. It would be hypocritical of me to slate this woman for the actual act of killing the giraffe when in May I was sat in Namibia eating Gemsbok and Ostrich and probably a load of other things in Biltong form. The only vile thing about all this is that she really enjoys killing things, that’s not something that should be celebrated.
One other thing though it is almost certain that this was a conservation kill - new blood and all that. Why was the post removed? Well look at the emotions it's stirred on here and we're quite mild compared to many out there....
Davos123 said:
Protein is a reason to eat, not a reason to eat meat.
If you want to get from A to B whilst observing the law of the road, oh might need to buy a car. When debating between a Golf or a Ferrari, however, it is no longer about getting from a to b but the ancillary pleasure derived from it. When you choose to eat meat over nuts for protein you are not choosing to do so for nutrition, since both are equally as valid a source. You are choosing to do so for convieience and pleasure
I didn't say it was essential, I said it was a nutritional reason. This was in answer to the statement that there is no nutritional reason. As you say, I choose to obtain part of my nutrition via meat; I could get by on fruit & nuts from my orchard but I choose to supplement it with animal flesh.If you want to get from A to B whilst observing the law of the road, oh might need to buy a car. When debating between a Golf or a Ferrari, however, it is no longer about getting from a to b but the ancillary pleasure derived from it. When you choose to eat meat over nuts for protein you are not choosing to do so for nutrition, since both are equally as valid a source. You are choosing to do so for convieience and pleasure
FYI I enjoy shooting my own dinner, hauling lobsters & scallops up from the bottom of the sea & occasionally impaling a skate. It's primitive compared to factory farming or living on tofu but it's fairly ecologically sound and as free-range as it gets.
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