Can we hunt him using an Apache?

[bad company]

Slightly off topic, this petition needs support:-

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-remove-sir-...

[KTF]

crofty1984 said:

Poor bloke. Can't say I approve of hunting lions, but the hysteria surrounding it is mental.

People love a bandwagon.

[Neil H]

crofty1984 said:

Poor bloke. Can't say I approve of hunting lions, but the hysteria surrounding it is mental.

Poor bloke? Really?

[audikentman]

Some of us have know about it for years and have been trying to bring it to public attention. Google the likes of Aaron Nielson, an American who has killed 14 lions yet no one knows about him.

For those that believe in Karma, remember the story of the guy trampled by an Elephant in Zimbabwe?

[yellowjack]

Camoradi said:

From his practice website

"Dr. Palmer is married with two children. He is a North Dakotan and enjoys all outdoor activities. Anything allowing him to stay active and observe and photograph wildlife is where you will find Dr. Palmer when he not in the office."

Not quite the full story, eh Walter.....

"Nice camera, Walt! What calibre is that 'film' you are using, exactly?"

Seriously. This oaf is a trophy hunter and...

Mail Online said:

Palmer is an expert shot with a bow and arrow...

...so why the need to go around slaughtering big game animals. Surely such an 'expert' shot, keen on a trophy or two, would have the talent and drive to 'shoot' at the Olympic Games, and bag a few nice, shiny, inanimate 'trophies'. If you're keen on killing the odd furry beast, then there are plenty of opportunities to take part in managed culling operations for various (non-endangered) species around the world.

'Stalking' these magnificent beasts is a magical experience, just being there is enough. Take photos as well, by all means, but killing this lion to nail it's head to your study wall? It's selfish, and pointless. There are plenty of stuffed/mounted big game animals in the stately homes of Britain, and they all, without exception, look awful after a few years. Better to leave the lion where it is, with it's head still on. It's not like there's massive demand for lion-burgers, or any legitimate use for the rest of the carcass. It's just a sad and sordid waste of a noble life. That said, there are also the authorities, and some citizens, in various African countries who need to take their share of the blame. A significant minority out there place so little value on human life that it's no surprise that they view a short-term profit for selling a 'kill' as more useful to them than a lion's lifetime of cash-rich tourists queuing up to spend their money on safaris into the bush just to catch a glimpse of the "Big Five". They won't realise the value of what they once had, until it is gone forever...

[Jasandjules]

crofty1984 said:

Poor bloke. Can't say I approve of hunting lions, but the hysteria surrounding it is mental.

He chose to prove he is a "real man" by hunting a Lion with weapons, fail to kill it cleanly, then have it suffer for days. All so he can feel good about himself? And he paid 30k to do it (man, he must feel inadequate).

I hope he is a poor bloke in time, I hope his clients leave in droves and he goes bankrupt, living on the streets.

Such a person is not fit for right thinking members of society (i.e. the non-psychopathic) and should be ostracised.

[Andehh]

cayman-black said:

TheJimi said:

carreauchompeur said:

What a grade-a ahole. I think however there are plenty of people now in the world who wish him harm and have the means by which to do so.

Good.

I really, *really* hope someone f*cks him up big time.

Dont worry this is fked.

Just to play devil's advocate (as I disagree with it on principle as well) but is he really worthy of being ''fxxked up big time'' or ''this cxxt is fked''?

This was after all, a very old Lion and this (unsavoury) industry does bring a lot of foreign income into a very impoverished country. He no doubt went about it all legally, and through (I imagine) the correct channels.

Lion's are not endangered, or being pushed in that direction, and this is just the latest in a long line of stupid stuff we humans like to do. As for Lion's suffering, lets face it as animals go they tend to give & take plenty of suffering themselves....

Just trying to add a tiny bit of perspective on this subject?

Edited by Andehh on Wednesday 29th July 13:04

[rohrl]

Andehh said:

After all, lions are not endangered, or being pushed in that direction

I'm not sure that's accurate. Lions are not currently protected as an endangered species but that's not the end of the story.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/extinction-cou...

[iphonedyou]

Camoradi said:

I'm currently booking random appointments under false names through their website. Disrupt his business so he won't be able to afford his hunting trips any more

website seems a little slow though

http://www.riverbluffdental.com/contact-us

Yeah, stick it to the rest of the staff! That'll show him.

Internet logic, eh?

[TheJimi]

KTF said:

crofty1984 said:

Poor bloke. Can't say I approve of hunting lions, but the hysteria surrounding it is mental.

People love a bandwagon.

If those responding to this news felt the way I felt when I read about it, then there's no bandwagon jumping here - just people feeling angry and sad, at what is nothing less than cold blooded barbarity in the name of entertainment.

It's heartbreaking and despairing to see such animals being killed like this.

Poor guy? Please. I hope he get's irreversibly f*cked up.

[ringerz]

I find the whole idea of killing one of these animals extremely distasteful, but can't help thinking I'm guilty of hypocrisy - I generally buy factory farmed chicken, have a penchant for bacon, drink milk and used to work in chicken processing plant where we killed over 2 million animals per week - in appalling conditions. I don't have to eat it, but I enjoy it. Not sure if it's a rarity thing? If there were an abundance of lions would I be as bothered?

Anyone else find it a tough one to reconcile?

[hornet]

Interesting to see how this unfolds, as have recently been watching and reading Jon Ronson's work on internet shaming, how the "targets" cope and what drives people to do it. He uses the example of Justine Sacco, who made a rather poor taste joke prior to catching a flight, only to find her world had been turned upside down when she landed 10 or so hours later. All of this happened in real time on Twitter. I suspect this may well go the same way.

[toasty]

ringerz said:

I find the whole idea of killing one of these animals extremely distasteful, but can't help thinking I'm guilty of hypocrisy - I generally buy factory farmed chicken, have a penchant for bacon, drink milk and used to work in chicken processing plant where we killed over 2 million animals per week - in appalling conditions. I don't have to eat it, but I enjoy it. Not sure if it's a rarity thing? If there were an abundance of lions would I be as bothered?

Anyone else find it a tough one to reconcile?

Me too, I had a double portion of panda nose risotto yesterday and didn't even finish it all.

[shakotan]

wiggy001 said:

Neil H said:

When someone closes a Twitter account anyone else can then take their @ name - I'm fairly certain the practice will have closed the account and someone hijacked it.

Ah, makes sense (from a non-twitter user)

Quite clearly a fake account, due to the mispelling of Bluff in the profile account name.

[wiggy001]

ringerz said:

I find the whole idea of killing one of these animals extremely distasteful, but can't help thinking I'm guilty of hypocrisy - I generally buy factory farmed chicken, have a penchant for bacon, drink milk and used to work in chicken processing plant where we killed over 2 million animals per week - in appalling conditions. I don't have to eat it, but I enjoy it. Not sure if it's a rarity thing? If there were an abundance of lions would I be as bothered?

Anyone else find it a tough one to reconcile?

Not really. The chicken on my plate hasn't been "hunted". It hasn't been chased for miles. It hasn't spent it's last few days in agony as it slowly died. And no-one (I hope) derived a sick pleasure from killing it. It has been kept in what is regarded by society and the law (rightly or wrongly) as decent conditions in order to not cause undue stress etc.

Now, I might be burying my head in the sand a little, but I naively believe that if my bacon sandwich had been chased across fields before being dispatched by a cross-bow-toting hunter there would be similar uproar and the practice would come under scrutiny and, hopefully, be stopped.

As an aside, the pro-fox-hunting brigade seem pretty quiet on this thread...

[eharding]

toasty said:

ringerz said:

I find the whole idea of killing one of these animals extremely distasteful, but can't help thinking I'm guilty of hypocrisy - I generally buy factory farmed chicken, have a penchant for bacon, drink milk and used to work in chicken processing plant where we killed over 2 million animals per week - in appalling conditions. I don't have to eat it, but I enjoy it. Not sure if it's a rarity thing? If there were an abundance of lions would I be as bothered?

Anyone else find it a tough one to reconcile?

Me too, I had a double portion of panda nose risotto yesterday and didn't even finish it all.

To be fair, you *did* have to leave some room for the Sumatran Rhino Trifle with Snow Leopard Sprinkles.

[ringerz]

wiggy001 said:

Not really. The chicken on my plate hasn't been "hunted". It hasn't been chased for miles. It hasn't spent it's last few days in agony as it slowly died. And no-one (I hope) derived a sick pleasure from killing it. It has been kept in what is regarded by society and the law (rightly or wrongly) as decent conditions in order to not cause undue stress etc.

Now, I might be burying my head in the sand a little, but I naively believe that if my bacon sandwich had been chased across fields before being dispatched by a cross-bow-toting hunter there would be similar uproar and the practice would come under scrutiny and, hopefully, be stopped.

As an aside, the pro-fox-hunting brigade seem pretty quiet on this thread...

The conditions aren't what I would call decent in chicken processing plants, legal definitely, but far from decent - I would rather be hunted an experience some outdoor life than be born on a concentration camp. But then if I'm honest I never lost any sleep about it. Definitely in agreement about the leaving the animal to suffer for 40 odd hours with an arrow in it, cruel and callous. That does add to the reason for my distaste, but I still think I would feel similar if it had been a "clean" kill. I do think some people are occasionally guilty of not considering where our food and animal produce comes from. How many of us give pause to think how milk is produced and the males that are killed at birth? What happens to all the male chickens as soon as they hatch? It ain't pretty.

[chrispmartha]

ringerz said:

I find the whole idea of killing one of these animals extremely distasteful, but can't help thinking I'm guilty of hypocrisy - I generally buy factory farmed chicken, have a penchant for bacon, drink milk and used to work in chicken processing plant where we killed over 2 million animals per week - in appalling conditions. I don't have to eat it, but I enjoy it. Not sure if it's a rarity thing? If there were an abundance of lions would I be as bothered?

Anyone else find it a tough one to reconcile?

I'm not finding it a tough one to be honest.

Lets look at it another way, are we saying that because we eat meat, that's farmed or even meat thats hunted (wild dear, rabbit etc etc) that we should be OK to needless cruelty to animals?

I like a nice steak as much as the next man butI I think people that treat pets badly are utter scum! If that makes me a hypocrite - so be it.

I must admit I found this story quite upsetting when I heard about it, and the fact he has been doing this sort of thing for a while (I believe he's hunted rhinos, bears and cheetah's?) makes it worse.

I'm glad he's been hunted in his own way now.

[stuartmmcfc]

I'm not finding it hard either.
The chicken on my plate is bred to be eaten.
The Lion, on the other hand, WASN'Tbred to be hunted for fun, have its head stuck on a wall as a trophy and its skin turned into a rug to be put in front of the fire.

The really sad thing though is in a few months this will have blown over and either him or his cronies will still be doing this.

[TheJimi]

It's the apparent glee and happiness the c*nts seem to derive from hunting and killing.

I can't empathise with that any more than I can empathise with jihadi john cutting the head of some poor sod.