Copper earns 45k.... in overtime alone.

Copper earns 45k.... in overtime alone.

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Fattyfat

3,301 posts

195 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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neenaw said:
Just wait for the uproar when they pick up on the overtime earnings of some Paramedics, it's well above the numbers they're talking about in that article.

Good luck to them if they're wiling to work the hours to get that kind of OT money though.
Indeed, I believe working big hours in London is a nice earner due to staff shortages.

neenaw

1,212 posts

188 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Fattyfat said:
Indeed, I believe working big hours in London is a nice earner due to staff shortages.
Definitely.
If you work the right shifts you're looking at £800 a shift for a 12h night.

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Be interesting to see what would happen if the police,nhs staff refused to work any overtime.

I guess going by the comments on here nobody would have a problem due to the money being saved?

Vaud

50,285 posts

154 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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egor110 said:
I guess going by the comments on here nobody would have a problem due to the money being saved?
You clearly read selectively...

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Vaud said:
egor110 said:
I guess going by the comments on here nobody would have a problem due to the money being saved?
You clearly read selectively...
Well either you want them to do overtime or you don't?

If you do then they need paying don't they, there's no point giving them extra leave because they can't take it due to staff shortages.

Fattyfat

3,301 posts

195 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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neenaw said:
Definitely.
If you work the right shifts you're looking at £800 a shift for a 12h night.
Time I started flying over and doing some bank shifts.

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

187 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Good.

We shouldn't be looking at this objectively, rather it should be an incentive to attract the right sort of people into the Police.

Much more money is being wasted elsewhere for a much less worthy cause.

Cat

3,014 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Vaud said:
In our business overtime is possible to a certain grade (manager) and then it is viewed that it is part of your salary.

In the police, is there a similar cut off where overtime is no longer claimable?

Genuine question, I think the Police do an outstanding job and I don't begrudge any reasonable overtime.
Inspectors and above get no overtime, only PCs and Sergeants.

Cat

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Excessive overtime is usually a result of incompetent management firefighting rather than planning. The call centre example is bizarre. How long does it take to train a civilian call handler?

Countdown

39,686 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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V8 Fettler said:
Excessive overtime is usually a result of incompetent management firefighting rather than planning.
No, it isn't. The relevant manager will have a budget for staff costs. As long as expenditure is within budget it doesn't matter whether it's spent on basic pay, overtime, or any other pay element. A bit like zero hours contracts, it can be far more efficient to use ad hoc overtime than have a higher level of permanent labour.

Adrian W

13,848 posts

227 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
I'd like them to come up with the facts of this 'little earner'.

I keep reading Police overtime was GIVEN to them. No, it was EARNED due to working excessive hours.

I'm sure this story appearing has absolutely nothing to do with the current pay review body examining Police Overtime rates. Purely coincidental I'm sure.

Edited by Elroy Blue on Wednesday 29th July 17:12
Most salaried staff don't get paid overtime, they have to do the hours to get the job done, why should government employees be any different? next someone is going to tell me that some of the overtime pay geos into their pensions.

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Countdown said:
V8 Fettler said:
Excessive overtime is usually a result of incompetent management firefighting rather than planning.
No, it isn't. The relevant manager will have a budget for staff costs. As long as expenditure is within budget it doesn't matter whether it's spent on basic pay, overtime, or any other pay element. A bit like zero hours contracts, it can be far more efficient to use ad hoc overtime than have a higher level of permanent labour.
See call handler example.

egor110

16,817 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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C.A.R. said:
Good.

We shouldn't be looking at this objectively, rather it should be an incentive to attract the right sort of people into the Police.

Much more money is being wasted elsewhere for a much less worthy cause.
So people who will work for free?

Fact is people need money to pay rent/mortgages and not rely on state hangouts, by bringing in this culture of being expected to do overtime for free is going to keep people relying on the state.

Vaud

50,285 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Cat said:
Inspectors and above get no overtime, only PCs and Sergeants.

Cat
Thanks.

MrBarry123

6,025 posts

120 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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carreauchompeur said:
MrBarry123 said:
carreauchompeur said:
On a separate but related note, i did think recently that Ms May should probably put her money where her mouth is where it comes to there still being excess cops and lose her protection detail...
Why on earth would that be sensible? I imagine she's near the top of the list of people who are most likely to have attempts against their safety and therefore absolutely justifies her protection detail.

Back to the point of the thread... I'm not sure what the point of the story is? The Police are paid overtime like anyone else who has an overtime allocation in their contract. Why shouldn't they?
It wouldn't be sensible for her on an individual basis any more than the swingeing cuts are for wider society... Therefore if she wants to keep spouting her bile, she should accept that cuts have consequences!
rolleyes

Here we go...

Greendubber

13,128 posts

202 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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MrBarry123 said:
rolleyes

Here we go...
It's a very fair point .

Adrian W

13,848 posts

227 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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egor110 said:
So people who will work for free?

Fact is people need money to pay rent/mortgages and not rely on state hangouts, by bringing in this culture of being expected to do overtime for free is going to keep people relying on the state.
To late, in most private companies it is whatever it takes to do the job, don't go the extra mile, don't get any progression.

Vaud

50,285 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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carreauchompeur said:
It wouldn't be sensible for her on an individual basis any more than the swingeing cuts are for wider society... Therefore if she wants to keep spouting her bile, she should accept that cuts have consequences!
Ore we could accelerate some force mergers and back office?

Plenty of companies with 100,000's of employers have one IT system, one HR, one payroll, one procurement and manage very well. There is plenty of efficiency to be found without touching front line.

Or reducing Chief Constable salary to be in line with Ministers? The home sec earns £135k IIRC. The PM, £142k.
Chief constables earn 127-193k. (all wiki numbers so I am open to being corrected)

Maybe they could all be pegged to the Hom Sec salary - or maybe a junior minister?

I don't think they should, but it's an example of comparable public sector costs. I'm not sure a Chief Constable has a lower stress or burden than the Home Sec.

BJG1

5,966 posts

211 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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MrBarry123 said:
Why on earth would that be sensible? I imagine she's near the top of the list of people who are most likely to have attempts against their safety and therefore absolutely justifies her protection detail.

Back to the point of the thread... I'm not sure what the point of the story is? The Police are paid overtime like anyone else who has an overtime allocation in their contract. Why shouldn't they?
If she doesn't want someone to attempt to take her life she could just try not being a massive rather than having a security detail tbf.

Red 4

10,744 posts

186 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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Adrian W said:
1. Most salaried staff don't get paid overtime, they have to do the hours to get the job done, why should government employees be any different?

2. next someone is going to tell me that some of the overtime pay geos into their pensions.
1. Don't they ? Overtime is unheard of in the private sector, is it ?

2. Sorry to piss on your chips but no, it doesn't.