Why is Cannabis still illegal?

[anonymous-user]

Son sounds like a normal teenager so therefore must be 'on the spectrum'

Jeez poor kid, no wonder he turned to drugs

[anonymous-user]

A close relative of mine suffers from a nasty neurological condition related to MS.

The difference between them when they are able to use cannabis and not is utterly staggering (and if I'm honest, a little bit scary ). They go from someone who is bed bound in serve pain that needing opiate painkillers and chemotherapy agent drugs to take the edge off and "manage" the condition, to someone who can function without the need of any medication. Physical symptoms such as spasms, cramps and headaches are vastly reduced, along with a general improvement in mood and well being.

Just an anecdotal experience of mine.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 16th July 23:47

[anonymous-user]

Its quite telling that the vehement anti cannabis posters are the ones who resort to insults and name calling

[anonymous-user]

WorldBoss said:

A close relative of mine suffers from a nasty neurological condition related to MS.

The difference between them when they are able to use cannabis and not is utterly staggering (and if I'm honest, a little bit scary ). They go from someone who is bed bound in serve pain that needing opiate painkillers and chemotherapy agent drugs to take the edge off and "manage" the condition, to someone who can function without the need of any medication. Physical symptoms such as spasms, cramps and headaches are vastly reduced, along with a general improvement in mood and well being.

Just an anecdotal experience of mine.

Edited by WorldBoss on Monday 16th July 23:47

I've seen similar with a friends Aunt

Ont he whole legalisation piece as a recreational user while it would be handy I don't really care as its not exactly hard to get, but from a medicinal side its results like the above I would like to see researched and legislated

[anonymous-user]

boxst said:

I live in a 'good area' in the South-East and talking to my children (who go to grammar school) it is quite shocking how easy it is to get drugs and the amount that do at least weed is quite high ( ). Certainly if I wanted to get weed, NOS and probably even coke then my children's contacts would be the way to go.

Live in and grew up in a similar area in the SE, exactly the same experience. It was also true when I was at school however many years ago, nothing changes

So 30 odd years of taxpayers money to get absolutely nowhere. Not counting a huge number now don't even interact with dealers but buy from dark web.

This is what the prohibition lobby don't seem to want to admit, it doesn't work.

[anonymous-user]

As a recreational user of course I'd like it legalised but I'm not hugely arsed, it's not exactly a chore to get hold of

Ecstatic about this news though, so many benefits for so many people, great news

[anonymous-user]

Zoon said:

I think the whole CBD oil is a bit emperors new clothes, latest fad.
Whilst it may help some conditions the whole treating everything from a broken leg, autism, epilepsy and cancer is a bit unbelievable.

Pretty much this

Cannabis has well known pain relieving properties, this has caused people like MS sufferers to use it as its very good, taking the THC out and just focusing on the CBD helps this and it would be good for these people and people with Arthritis etc

Its being touted as doing everything as Zoon says and not sure how it could help Asthma tbf

[anonymous-user]

Dog Star said:

George Smiley said:

It’s illegal because it is a gateway drug and it seriously causes psychological issues with habitual use.

Not to mention that it smells fking rank!

Every time - and I do mean EVERY time - I meet someone who is a habitual cannabis user they're always IMO "a bit weird" as in mentally impaired, space-cadet etc. I have no doubt from my own observation that this is the case. This is not what the sort of people defending it a lot of the time see - just some middle class bloke with a job etc who enjoys a spliff a couple of times a week.

Awful drug. Keep it illegal.

I have a few friends who are habitual users, all have decent jobs and certainly not "weird", you wouldn't know unless they mentioned it, i didn't know about one of them and I've known him 15+ years until we were playing poker at his house.

A drug with great potential and medicinal uses, legalise it and control quality, quantity and price, take the money to fund the NHS (including those areas studies identify as a potential issue).

Ridiculous that tobacco and alcohol are legal yet cannabis is not, the war on drugs has catastrophically failed at considerable cost to the tax payer, rather than fight a losing battle, change it up, take the cashflow away from the criminals and use the money to fund other areas and a focus on preventing drug use.

I know plenty of people who use cocaine yet wouldn't touch a cigarette nor a spiff so i cannot get onboard with the gateway drug mantra, same with all those people who regularly use cocaine, not one has ever touched crack, heroin, etc.

[anonymous-user]

kurt535 said:

Lord.Vader said:

I know plenty of people who use cocaine yet wouldn't touch a cigarette nor a spiff so i cannot get onboard with the gateway drug mantra, same with all those people who regularly use cocaine, not one has ever touched crack, heroin, etc.

clean living cocaine users......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....classy.

Nice selective quote, I don't get your post? Where did i say clean living? i was just pointing out they have no interest in smoking, nor the perceived effects of it, which leads to my point around it being a gateway drug.

[anonymous-user]

kurt535 said:

Lord.Vader said:

kurt535 said:

Lord.Vader said:

I know plenty of people who use cocaine yet wouldn't touch a cigarette nor a spiff so i cannot get onboard with the gateway drug mantra, same with all those people who regularly use cocaine, not one has ever touched crack, heroin, etc.

clean living cocaine users......mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....classy.

Nice selective quote, I don't get your post? Where did i say clean living? i was just pointing out they have no interest in smoking, nor the perceived effects of it, which leads to my point around it being a gateway drug.

of course, silly me, cocaine has no effects on the human body....nor does it negatively affect countless people in its manufacturing process.........jesus christ.....

Are you a little bit simple? If it had no effect why would people take it? The rest of your post is nonsense, i have no idea if you are reading something different to me, have you been smoking something?

ETA: how do you manufacture legal drugs today? in the jungles of Colombia or in a nice clean white lab', where people get holidays, pensions, etc? Is the product quality controlled or any old junk thrown in?

People will take drugs irrespective of the legality, why not protect people and earn from it? Don't get on your high horse about people who take drugs do not deserve it as it is exactly the same as tobacco and alcohol that today cost the NHS billions.

Edited by Lord.Vader on Friday 24th May 11:35

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

Would it not be better for society to avoid the illness/disease rather than create an equanimity of cause and cost?

yes whilst we are at it, lets ban motorbikes and sugar.

/s

Tax is the best behaviour control system going. Let's apply to cannabis too!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th May 11:50

[anonymous-user]

1602Mark said:

hairykrishna said:

You undoubtedly meet a lot of people who are regular cannabis users who don't feel the need to tell you about it. None of whom give any sign that they use it

Erm.. So how would you know?

Isn't that kind of the point?

All the posters who routinely post on here shouting "gateway, mental issues, definitely will make you a smackhead" routinely engage and work with perpetual stoners with absolutely no idea

[anonymous-user]

Great! will save some room in my veg patch, cut teen use of cannabis who only do it to rebel, cut off paths to harder drugs, and ease burden of booze and opiates on NHS. Whats not to like!

[anonymous-user]

AJL308 said:

I have little problem in legalising it but the requirement should be that it applies to any type other than smoking - the smell is fking awful. Either that or develop strains with a more pleasant aroma.

Having said that, isn't it a bit perverse being on crusade against tobacco yet be discussing legalising a different type of smokable?

It's only really the illegal markets that combine with tobacco and even that's lessening in the UK

Edibles and Vapes and Dabs are where it's at

[anonymous-user]

the tribester said:

'cut teen use of cannabis who only do it to rebel' - Why would it cut use?

Same sort of thing as French parents letting kids drink wine at the dinner table. Such kids are much less likely to abuse alcohol.

There was an 8% decline, on average, in overall teenage cannabis use, in USA states that have legalised recreational cannabis. (According to a study in a journal published by the American Medical Association.)

Makes total sense. It's not nearly as cool or exotic to smoke weed if you can buy it in any corner shop.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 29th July 23:52

[anonymous-user]

"There is little evidence that decriminalization of marijuana use necessarily leads to a substantial increase in marijuana use." - The National Academy of Sciences

[anonymous-user]

This kind of stuff is rarely intuitive or predictable. So there is nothing to 'get'. You just have to look at the numbers.

[anonymous-user]

CX53 said:

Voldemort said:

I'm genuinely sorry.

But can you put your hand on your heart and say that this solely because of the cannabis? That if we lived in a world without cannabis your close family member would be hunky dory. Or would the close family member likely have (ab)used alcohol another substance?

I wouldn’t necessarily say they even abused cannabis, they enjoyed it very regularly with friends, but didn’t hammer it from morning till night.

I also know people who smoke it from the minute they wake up, at lunch times in the car at work, then in the evenings, and have done this for years. They are perfectly fine and functioning.

I think it seems more likely to exacerbate any underlying or potential mental health problems.

Exactly, it has likely stirred a mental health problem that was already there, not caused it.

[anonymous-user]

PurpleTurtle said:

Mental health issues and its impact thereon is my issue with legalising it - previously I've long been of the view to decriminalise and tax it, seeing as so many people smoke it. I've had the odd doobie myself over the years but TBH it does absolutely nothing for me.

This case was reported this week from the town I grew up in - innocent old boy walking to the pub on a residential housing estate, hacked to death by a schizophrenic 'heavy weed smoker' stranger who thought the old chap was the devil. I feel pretty sorry for his family that he met his end in this way.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

I'm going to hazard a guess that the weed this perpetrator was smoking was most likely strong Skunk, which is often attributed with cases of psychosis like this. It's a difficult one to call - if you legalise it then you could argue that you could (try to) control the strength of what is smoked, but there will always be those who want the bigger/stronger hit, so Skunk would just be grown and sold on the black market, just as it is now.

You realise he was stopped smoking 4-6 years before the attack? He also thought he was God and was obsessed with "the blood moon". Some people are just nutters, or it could have been the alcohol he drank daily or the LSD he did when he was 15 or the pills he took for years before they met or....or.....

[anonymous-user]

Sa Calobra said:

YES. I see it daily. TCH is the element. If you smoked it daily without any of these underlining mental health issues you'd develop mental health issues..

So how long does it take? About 20 of my friends that have been smoking it for 25+years as well as a few million other people would be interested to know.

The only people I have known to have substance abuse issues that affect their daily lives were from alcohol and heroin, they literally flushed their cushty lives down the pan.