Why is Cannabis still illegal?
Discussion
EddieSteadyGo said:
jakesmith said:
FiF said:
Yep, the problem with cannabis is there is no control over the production and what you are getting. The analogy about the opaque bottle labelled alcohol of any strength, which could be decent stuff or dodgy poteen is a good one. Medical drug production, approval, testing and dosage is as it is for good reason.
Equally I agree with the other poster's comment about it not being made available in every garage and corner shop. A first step should be medically licensed, though seeing the paper thin consultation process in USA presumably that wouldn't apply here.
This is completely wrong and the analogy is poorEqually I agree with the other poster's comment about it not being made available in every garage and corner shop. A first step should be medically licensed, though seeing the paper thin consultation process in USA presumably that wouldn't apply here.
High strength cannabis is much more expensive and easily identifiable as such
Personally, I would support state controlled regulation of cannabis as lot of things in this world are harmful or dangerous. Choosing what you do is all part of being a responsible adult.
Most Cannabis is bought in £20 bags and is loosely defined as "Skunk" the strains with higher THC are the more popular and you have no choice over the Sativa/Indica/THC/CBD content
The high strength being more expensive is a bit of a misnomer
designforlife said:
Having the freedom to choose strength and strain here would be brilliant. Not all users are teenagers with no self control who want to smoke until they can't move.
Some of us just want some nice mellow sativa. My soon to be wife completed community college, an undergrad and 2 masters degrees whilst smoking fairly regularly, but then she was in the US and had the freedom to choose what she smoked.
It's pot luck what you get here, and that is the danger/risk. Legalising removes that risk and puts more control in the hands of the user.
Drink responsibly...smoke responsibly.
Exactly thisSome of us just want some nice mellow sativa. My soon to be wife completed community college, an undergrad and 2 masters degrees whilst smoking fairly regularly, but then she was in the US and had the freedom to choose what she smoked.
It's pot luck what you get here, and that is the danger/risk. Legalising removes that risk and puts more control in the hands of the user.
Drink responsibly...smoke responsibly.
Police State said:
By the time you add up the various costs for legalised production, distribution and selling, you just help establish an ideal market for illegal production, distribution and selling. You just end up establishing two markets. Taking drug money away from organised criminals is a myth.
NonsenseGo to Amsterdam and try and buy some weed from a street dealer, aint happening
People would either buy or grow, the black market would die overnight barring the under agers trying to get hold of it, which is not a situation any different from fags and booze
Police State said:
By the time you add up the various costs for legalised production, distribution and selling, you just help establish an ideal market for illegal production, distribution and selling. You just end up establishing two markets. Taking drug money away from organised criminals is a myth.
You could use the same 'logic' with prohibition of alcohol. Alcohol went from legal, to illegal (where organised crime took over) and back to legal in the US. How big is the illegal market for alcohol?
The law-abiding users, or people who are otherwise law-abiding (other than using cannabis) gravitate towards a lawful and regulated environment. Why would they risk breaking the law when you don't have to?
There are two markets with alcohol, tobacco and clothing, for example. How big are the illegal markets vs the legal ones?
All evidence points towards the legal market being massively dominant vs a smaller, suppressed illegal market.
How big are the illegal cannabis markets in countries / states which have legalised it?
NAS said:
anonymous said:
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And Belgium, and France. A location problem, that's it.Mark stated the Amsterdam Mayor had complained, which he hadn't the Mayor of Maastrict had, the issues there are well known as they border countries who have an appetite for cannabis but no legalisation
it was the 13 shops that gave it awayDigga said:
I know quite a few people who have/do use the stuff and the majority are, to varying degrees, f
k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.
By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Completely agree. Should be legal but everyone I know who smokes regularly, despite holding down professional careers, are flakey and forgetful. Correlation is not causation and all that but IME there's definitely a correlation...k ups. They might be quite intelligent, even hold down decent jobs, and very pleasant company but they are also fk ups - the sort of people prone to utterly stupid moments of uselessness and forgetfulness.By no means a scientific survey, but an opinion I am not alone in sharing, despite not giving a fig about people using the stuff.
As for the criminal aspect, the best years the US Mafia ever had were during alcohol prohibition...
Davos123 said:
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their st together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.
Perhaps there are loads of people you know with all their s
t together that also enjoy an occasional smoke, they just don't tell you about it.
I worked side by side with a guy for 2 years, as I always keep personal and work seperate only knew we both liked a smoke after I left
Davos123 said:
fblm said:
Obviously. Like I said; in my experience.
My point is your experience isn't worth anything. You can't possibly know the drug taking habits of all the people you know and you're far more likely to know about the ones that's lives are impacted by it.Derek Smith said:
A bit in The Times today about the Police Federation, the association of ranks below superintendent, asking for cannabis to be legalised. The reason given is that it is not being prosecuted, so legalisation by stealth, which is not an effective method of law making. From a chat I listed to by a senior officer in my local force, even if staffing levels were raised to the old levels, the emphasis for policing would not be on minor drug possession.
I know of 2 'Groups' who are growing in full knowledge of the Police, have proven its for their personal use as a group and not sale and are working in conjuction with the PoliceEven my missus who is notoriously fussy about the law has said I may as well grow a couple of plants as the Police just aren't arsed anymore
AJL308 said:
wc98 said:
what has it got to do with the un what an individual country decides for its laws ? doesn't seem to be hindering canada's progress at the moment.
Because we a are party to whatever Treaty prohibits it. If we were to do it it would be a breech of international law.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff