Why is Cannabis still illegal?
Discussion
vetrof said:
What is distasteful and undesirable about cannabis use? Who decides? I know you are a boxing & MMA fan, plenty of people think they have no place in a civilised society. Ban them too?
Pretty sure boxing results in far, far more serious long-term health issues than cannabis, too, but it's a choice a consenting adult makes with his/her own body, so it's ok. I'm certain that's the argument that would be used to defend it, which is rather ironic. vetrof said:
remkingston said:
Guys, maybe some of us here need to just have a joint and chill out.
I'll put the pop tarts in the toaster and order a pizza. Everyone ok with extra cheese and pepperoni?
I'll be there when my guy turns up, said he'd be here 2 hours ago.I'll put the pop tarts in the toaster and order a pizza. Everyone ok with extra cheese and pepperoni?
Time to get some reggae covers listened to until he's here then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEZWsnIECo
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
If something is distasteful and undesirable in civil society
What is distasteful and undesirable about cannabis use? Who decides? I know you are a boxing & MMA fan, plenty of people think they have no place in a civilised society. Ban them too?vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
If something is distasteful and undesirable in civil society
What is distasteful and undesirable about cannabis use? Who decides? I know you are a boxing & MMA fan, plenty of people think they have no place in a civilised society. Ban them too?Perhaps a combination of weed smoking and MMA would suit everyone's taste? I've been in gyms where the young guys like to get high before they practice Ju-Jitsu, it's funny, you can tickle them and make them submit by giggling...
I mentioned earlier in this thread that alcohol should be banned butI didn't realise you can have a litre of it and it gives you the power to bully without punishment.
What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
remkingston said:
He's probably started another game of FIFA thinking its on 5min mode but is actually on real time match length.
Time to get some reggae covers listened to until he's here then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEZWsnIECo
Maybe a bit of early 90s OrbTime to get some reggae covers listened to until he's here then...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEZWsnIECo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHixChYgGRI&li...
FredClogs said:
legalising things that are seen as marginally beneficial or desirable is a bit of a slippery slope.
Is that what you meant to write? Removing the illegality of beneficial and desirable things is a slippery slope? To what? A happy populace?FredClogs said:
Perhaps a combination of weed smoking and MMA would suit everyone's taste? I've been in gyms where the young guys like to get high before they practice Ju-Jitsu, it's funny, you can tickle them and make them submit by giggling...
Oh the humanity!remkingston said:
I mentioned earlier in this thread that alcohol should be banned butI didn't realise you can have a litre of it and it gives you the power to bully without punishment.
What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
No. My own body should not be subject to the will of democracy. What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
BJG1 said:
remkingston said:
I mentioned earlier in this thread that alcohol should be banned butI didn't realise you can have a litre of it and it gives you the power to bully without punishment.
What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
No. My own body should not be subject to the will of democracy. What about if we were offered a referendum on hemp & cannabis in general. Would people be satisfied if we as a country were allowed to have a say?
Are you not allowed to choose what you want when in a pub these days unless everyone else agrees?
remkingston said:
You what?
Are you not allowed to choose what you want when in a pub these days unless everyone else agrees?
I don't understand your question. An individual's body should be their own jurisdiction, it doesn't matter if 20% of people want to enforce that I do not put something in my body or 80%, it should be a fundamental human right Are you not allowed to choose what you want when in a pub these days unless everyone else agrees?
BJG1 said:
remkingston said:
You what?
Are you not allowed to choose what you want when in a pub these days unless everyone else agrees?
I don't understand your question. An individual's body should be their own jurisdiction, it doesn't matter if 20% of people want to enforce that I do not put something in my body or 80%, it should be a fundamental human right Are you not allowed to choose what you want when in a pub these days unless everyone else agrees?
If cannabis was legal, you wouldn't have to consume it either.
remkingston said:
Scotch and whiskey is legal but I don't have to drink it.
If cannabis was legal, you wouldn't have to consume it either.
Sorry, I thought I had made it pretty obvious I am pro-legalisation and a cannabis user on this thread. I do not think this is the type of decision to be taken by referendum because I do not think it matters how many people agree or disagree when the subject at hand is what others do with their own body.If cannabis was legal, you wouldn't have to consume it either.
Wires crossed there, apologies.
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
legalising things that are seen as marginally beneficial or desirable is a bit of a slippery slope.
Is that what you meant to write? Removing the illegality of beneficial and desirable things is a slippery slope? To what? A happy populace?Caught speeding? Doing 40 in a 30 zone? It's not really hurting anyone (the vast majority of the time), society in general doesn't care and you get places quicker, why not just tax the speeders and make it more socially acceptable - That is pretty much what does happen, but it doesn't exactly hold up any sort of moral ideal.
Sometimes the law has to balance what's popular or seemingly easy or enforceable and lay down foundation stone guidelines, moral certainty in an morally uncertain world, like a parent would. I'm not going to encourage or condone my children to smoke, drink or do anything risky - I fully accept they will and probably come to no harm but the idea that they're exposed to risk because it's a good tax earner for government seems ridiculous to me.
BJG1 said:
hman said:
Either - total ban on drugs (no class a,b,c) or legalise cannabis or marijuana but everything else is totally banned (again no a,b,c)
Allowing cannabis or marijuana possession to have a blind eye turned to it isnt helpful as you'll be OK to possess it in some places and not in others.
Anyway, cannabis or marijuana normally needs tobacco to be smoked which in itself is cancerous s
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Cannabis does not need tobacco to be smoked, that is entirely erroneous. It is a straight up choice to use it in a joint or not.Allowing cannabis or marijuana possession to have a blind eye turned to it isnt helpful as you'll be OK to possess it in some places and not in others.
Anyway, cannabis or marijuana normally needs tobacco to be smoked which in itself is cancerous s
t.Out of interest - why do you think it's ok to legalise cannabis but not equally unharmful drugs such as MDMA or Magic Mushrooms?
Smoking a pure weed joint is fine - the problem is that in the UK, if you smoked a pure skunk joint - without any tobacco then you would feel very ill very quickly.
Some crappy low grade hashish weed would be fine though - so long as you removed all the seeds first or you'll be blimming your clothes, seats and the joint would be popping and cracking - not good.
MDMA, Mushrooms, Speed, I'm not so sure that they dont wreck your mental state through prolonged usage...
BJG1 said:
remkingston said:
Scotch and whiskey is legal but I don't have to drink it.
If cannabis was legal, you wouldn't have to consume it either.
Sorry, I thought I had made it pretty obvious I am pro-legalisation and a cannabis user on this thread. I do not think this is the type of decision to be taken by referendum because I do not think it matters how many people agree or disagree when the subject at hand is what others do with their own body.If cannabis was legal, you wouldn't have to consume it either.
Wires crossed there, apologies.
I understand your point that although a referendum could be used that actually maybe due to a lot of misinformation that has been pushed around over the years that we would be better suited by a factually based board or committee making an informed decision instead?
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