Why is Cannabis still illegal?
Discussion
FredClogs said:
That's the way it is... If you want to live in a civilised culture with some resemblance of a controlled future and foreseeable outcomes, if you want armies of soldiers who are prepared to put their bodies on the line for the protection of it and Doctors and Nurses who are prepared to dedicate their lives to saving your flesh bag then you have to accept the covenant, don't like it then move to Central Africa - no one there is going to give two s
ts what you do with your body or what they do with it either!
We construct a society in which those members of society you mention are rewarded for their labour with the fruits of the labour of others. Soldiers and doctors and nurses are paid. Your interpretation of the social contract would justify slavery or human sacrifice. It's dystopian. ts what you do with your body or what they do with it either!The social contract theory...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
The Oxycontin Express documentary. Worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2mRnFraQlY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
The Oxycontin Express documentary. Worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2mRnFraQlY
Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but does anyone think that legalising cannabis would actually make any difference to anything?
Isn't it almost legal anyway, in that the laws against it are relatively soft, and it is freely available almost anywhere so current laws do not really affect its consumption?
Isn't it almost legal anyway, in that the laws against it are relatively soft, and it is freely available almost anywhere so current laws do not really affect its consumption?
Trexthedinosaur said:
Why isn't Alcohol or Tobacco banned or maybe Cocodamol all have the potential to be abused and therefore could be gateway drugs.
I've had clients, who's problems with addiction, started on both. In fact, it was an over the counter cough syrup (which contained Codeine) that was more common place and has subsequently been made subject to controls.There will always be anecdotal evidence telling us how people smoked a pound of weed a week and how it never did them any harm. Society has a responsibility to its most vulnerable though, so it's the people who do come to harm, by virtue of smoking weed etc, that our laws are there to protect.
e21Mark said:
There will always be anecdotal evidence telling us how people smoked a pound of weed a week and how it never did them any harm. Society has a responsibility to its most vulnerable though, so it's the people who do come to harm, by virtue of smoking weed etc, that our laws are there to protect.
I don't share your ideology. The rights of the masses should not be restricted to cater for the lowest common denominator in my opinion.By your argument why is anything harmful allowed in society like knives, beer, dogs, paint, glue etc etc etc?
blindswelledrat said:
I don't share your ideology. The rights of the masses should not be restricted to cater for the lowest common denominator in my opinion.
By your argument why is anything harmful allowed in society like knives, beer, dogs, paint, glue etc etc etc?
skis, peanuts, stairs, crossing the road, conkers, hot beverages, rose bushes................ban the lot.By your argument why is anything harmful allowed in society like knives, beer, dogs, paint, glue etc etc etc?
blindswelledrat said:
Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but does anyone think that legalising cannabis would actually make any difference to anything?
In terms of how much is consumed, no. In terms of increased tax revenue, decreased public spending, and a reduction in crime, yes.blindswelledrat said:
e21Mark said:
There will always be anecdotal evidence telling us how people smoked a pound of weed a week and how it never did them any harm. Society has a responsibility to its most vulnerable though, so it's the people who do come to harm, by virtue of smoking weed etc, that our laws are there to protect.
I don't share your ideology. The rights of the masses should not be restricted to cater for the lowest common denominator in my opinion.By your argument why is anything harmful allowed in society like knives, beer, dogs, paint, glue etc etc etc?
Knives, dogs, paint and glue have other uses other than altering human brain chemistry... Beer you could argue.
Tonsko said:
...and potentially, mental health.
Absolutely in terms of mental health too. I think a lot of the issues cultivated within the current system derive from the majority of users having little other option than to buy an unquantifiable product of indeterminate strength; affording people a degree of awareness over what the options open to them are, e.g: CBD vs THC content, and the effects it will have on their disposition; would do wonders in terms of mitigating the impact upon mental health imo.
blindswelledrat said:
Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but does anyone think that legalising cannabis would actually make any difference to anything?
Isn't it almost legal anyway, in that the laws against it are relatively soft, and it is freely available almost anywhere so current laws do not really affect its consumption?
I think a lot of people wouldn't feel like they have to hide that they smoke weed anymore if it was legalised. They'd feel more comfortable telling their doctors if they think that weed is causing them mental issues or just that they smoke it in general. I think this is really important if we ever want to find out the correlation between cannabis and mental health, the more information we have, the more accurate of an answer we will get.Isn't it almost legal anyway, in that the laws against it are relatively soft, and it is freely available almost anywhere so current laws do not really affect its consumption?
Consumption for regular users would probably go down since you need less of it when the quality is higher, if it was legal, access to high quality stuff would be much better for most people.
Consumption of harder drugs could go down a bit if people are buying from a cannabis shop instead of their local dealer who might sell allsorts of different drugs.
The government would plaster smoking kills adverts all over weed packaging which might educate the masses a bit and reduce joint smoking in favour of other forms of consumption.
Acess to affordable edibles would rise which in turn would change consumption for some.
Lots of criminals who grow for profit now would get put out of business by Tesco value skunk or whichever big companies undercut them.
FredClogs said:
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
Knives, dogs, paint and glue have other uses other than altering human brain chemistry... Beer you could argue.
So what?vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
Knives, dogs, paint and glue have other uses other than altering human brain chemistry... Beer you could argue.
So what?e21Mark said:
Society has a responsibility to its most vulnerable though, so it's the people who do come to harm, by virtue of smoking weed etc, that our laws are there to protect.
Which is a can of worms - forecable castration springs to mind (to protect the most vulnerable from themselves - and to protect others)! Which is not a serious suggestion.There really is no philosophical logic that I can fathom in support of restricitng the use of recreational drugs.
There may be considerable difficulties in developing a legal framework for the supply of recreational drugs.
And no, I do not advocate the use of recreational drugs.
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
vetrof said:
FredClogs said:
Knives, dogs, paint and glue have other uses other than altering human brain chemistry... Beer you could argue.
So what?There are a million UK residents with a drug problem. (About 13% of users) it's fair to assume that number would increase were laws removed. Obviously that doesn't include the families who's lives are also blighted by the outfall from drug use.
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