Blackbushe Airport plane crash

[soad]

Eric Mc said:

Thread running in the planes section.

Aircraft down at Blackbushe?

[otolith]

Yeah, but the plane spotters section of PH is a bit off the beaten track, and it's probably full of people posting flight paths and model numbers.

[Eric Mc]

Rather narrow minded of you. At least on that forum you get technically knowledgeable people who know a bit about aircraft and aviation. As well as the "enthusiasts" (like me) there are a number of extremely knowledgeable commercial pilots, RAF pilots and ex-RAF/RN aircrew etc.

And you don't tend to get wild conspiracy theories flying about.

[numtumfutunch]

Eric Mc said:

Rather narrow minded of you. At least on that forum you get technically knowledgeable people who know a bit about aircraft and aviation. As well as the "enthusiasts" (like me) there are a number of extremely knowledgeable commercial pilots, RAF pilots and ex-RAF/RN aircrew etc.

And you don't tend to get wild conspiracy theories flying about.

Agreed
Its one of my favourite "lurking" bits of PH

[otolith]

Yeah, that's the problem. It's a more specialised audience with more specialised interests.

[Eric Mc]

Where you might learn something and probably learn more about an incident than through reading mainstream media.

I sometimes wonder if people feel intimidated by those who actually know things. And they then express this feeling of inadequacy by being rude and abusive.

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

Where you might learn something and probably learn more about an incident than through reading mainstream media.

I sometimes wonder if people feel intimidated by those who actually know things. And they then express this feeling of inadequacy by being rude and abusive.

The modern disease, Eric.

I am lacking knowledge in so many areas, economics and science are good examples, but PH has really educated me and helped me 'up my game'. For me, learning something new at 52 is just as exciting as learning at school. Unfortunately some people think they know it all once they leave full time education and are happy to live in ignorance or even thrive on it with their abuse. That's just sad, imo.

[Eric Mc]

I love learning and like finding out things I didn't know previously. I can't understand why people react so badly when a piece of genuine information is imparted.

Weird.

[VernalEquinox]

Eric Mc said:

Where you might learn something and probably learn more about an incident than through reading mainstream media.

I sometimes wonder if people feel intimidated by those who actually know things. And they then express this feeling of inadequacy by being rude and abusive.

Depends if they've asked for the information or if it's being given without being required (or sometimes being particularly relevant). There's a fine line between informative and smug.

[BrabusMog]

Eric Mc said:

I love learning and like finding out things I didn't know previously. I can't understand why people react so badly when a piece of genuine information is imparted.

Weird.

I don't think people react badly, but I have seen some pretty scolding posts when people ask about acronyms etc in some sections of PH, or just a bit of a smug tone to some posts (not all) which tends to give "outsiders" of certain forum groups a bad impression...

I like the best of both worlds, so I just read the threads I don't understand and let the experts do the talking.

[otolith]

Eric Mc said:

Where you might learn something and probably learn more about an incident than through reading mainstream media.

I sometimes wonder if people feel intimidated by those who actually know things. And they then express this feeling of inadequacy by being rude and abusive.

The interesting factors for the general public in this story are social. Not the minutiae of aviation. You could quite easily have had multiple legitimate topics for the Munich air disaster or the crash that killed Buddy Holly, the aviation section not being particularly appropriate for the discussion of football and music respectively.

[anonymous-user]

BrabusMog said:

I don't think people react badly, but I have seen some pretty scolding posts when people ask about acronyms etc in some sections of PH, or just a bit of a smug tone to some posts (not all) which tends to give "outsiders" of certain forum groups a bad impression...

+1. There are some potentially interesting threads where you dare not ask for clarification for fear of the armchair expert stasi.

[KTF]

AAIB bulletin published:

https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/media...

[bitchstewie]

That doesn't look like a "something went a little weong" that looks like a "why on earth would you carry on the landing" doesn't it?

[KTF]

bhstewie said:

That doesn't look like a "something went a little weong" that looks like a "why on earth would you carry on the landing" doesn't it?

It does look that way. Why he didnt go around is anyones guess as he must have known that it wasnt looking good from a few miles out.

[Digga]

KTF said:

bhstewie said:

That doesn't look like a "something went a little weong" that looks like a "why on earth would you carry on the landing" doesn't it?

It does look that way. Why he didnt go around is anyones guess as he must have known that it wasnt looking good from a few miles out.

report said:

descended at up to 3,000 feet per minute

Sounds more like the sort of trajectory you'd associate with a Stuka.

[number 46]

At 50 knots over the correct landing speed he was never going to stop before the end of the runway. Wonder if the pilot passed out or was incapaicted, it does seem odd that he didn't go round again?

[Slartifartfast]

Are preliminary reports usually public as quickly as this?
Are the Carfest and BigginHill ones out too?

[NailedOn]

The report viewable via the HMG link states that at least one or perhaps two microlights were in the immediate vicinity. The Jet took at least one avoiding manoeuvre.
Nonetheless PH-ers operating in a fact vacuum jump to baseless guesswork. Whatever it is you do for a living, so help me God if I ever need you. Skinny latte anyone?
Oh, you're a retired SAS officer now working for a private covert ops outfit. Yep, Right. Dream on you planks.

[davepoth]

Slartifartfast said:

Are preliminary reports usually public as quickly as this?
Are the Carfest and BigginHill ones out too?

I think they only do them for crashes where the press can get carried away with things without some concrete information. With this one there was always the potential for conspiracy theories so it makes sense that they would release this info early, once they had a fairly clear idea what was going on.