And this weeks allegations of child abuse are aimed at:
Discussion
ClaphamGT3 said:
Ted Heath's deeply unpleasant personality has been known since his entry into politics in the early fifties. Very few people who have ever personally encountered him in any capacity have a good word to say about him, either professionally or personally. For most of the 1980s and 1990s, it would have suited the Conservative establishment for him to be personally discredited in either a sex or financial scandal (and there is far more circumstantial evidence pointing to the latter than the former)
The reality is that, in the sixty five years since his rise to public office, during which his sexuality has been constantly debated, no credible evidence has pointed toward any sexual scandal.
Do you really think that any 'establishment' conspiracy could remain 100% watertight for over half a century?
I find it really difficult to believe as well.The reality is that, in the sixty five years since his rise to public office, during which his sexuality has been constantly debated, no credible evidence has pointed toward any sexual scandal.
Do you really think that any 'establishment' conspiracy could remain 100% watertight for over half a century?
But, I find it less difficult with every passing week.
It's not been kept watertight either, just hasn't trickled down to the mainstream press and public attention.
MarshPhantom said:
Brass Eye nonsense?
Heath would have been in his early 70s at the start of the 90s, just like the coke and hookers Labour peer recently.
Never heard the phrase dirty old man?
And this is the problem. Sewell is alive. The scandal is weeks old. There is a nice picture of him hoovering white stuff off the décolletage of a lady of dubious means.Heath would have been in his early 70s at the start of the 90s, just like the coke and hookers Labour peer recently.
Never heard the phrase dirty old man?
Heath is dead. He has been for 10 years. There's no 'evidence' bar the submission of an ex copper who stated a brothel keeper attempted to warn off the police when her underage prostitution racket was busted. And an allegation 53 years old. And this has now been headline news with a man's reputation being traduced with at least 3 forces running panicky coverthinearse retrospective inquiries. Stinks to high heaven.
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 4th August 22:49
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 4th August 22:50
article from June 2013
http://www.ibtimes.com/edward-heath-britains-forgo...
In 2007, a former Conservative member of the London Assembly and former mayor of Barnet named Brian Coleman, who is himself gay, made a more sensational charge. Coleman alleged that in the mid-1950s, London police were aware that Heath was "cottaging" (that is, seeking out anonymous sex partners in public lavatories) and that they warned him to stop, lest it damage his career.
http://www.ibtimes.com/edward-heath-britains-forgo...
In 2007, a former Conservative member of the London Assembly and former mayor of Barnet named Brian Coleman, who is himself gay, made a more sensational charge. Coleman alleged that in the mid-1950s, London police were aware that Heath was "cottaging" (that is, seeking out anonymous sex partners in public lavatories) and that they warned him to stop, lest it damage his career.
Don't get me wrong; Heath was a major t
t of the first order, and Saville has show how collusion can work. But anyone who has studied Heath knows, the man was the quintessential stick up arse middle class repressed Brit. He almost certainly was a repressed homosexual, which is about as much as 70 years of snide rumour has ever managed to pin on him. That's about as diametrically opposed to saville as you can get. He's a sad figure but this nonsense is unjust.
t of the first order, and Saville has show how collusion can work. But anyone who has studied Heath knows, the man was the quintessential stick up arse middle class repressed Brit. He almost certainly was a repressed homosexual, which is about as much as 70 years of snide rumour has ever managed to pin on him. That's about as diametrically opposed to saville as you can get. He's a sad figure but this nonsense is unjust.Ridgemont said:
And this is the problem. Sewell is alive. The scandal is weeks old. There is a nice picture of him hoovering white stuff off the décolletage of a lady of dubious means.
Heath is dead. He has been for 10 years. There's no 'evidence' bar the submission of an ex copper who stated a brothel keeper attempted to warn off the police when her underage prostitution racket was busted. And an allegation 53 years old. And this has now been headline news with a man's reputation being traduced with at least 3 forces running panicky coverthinearse retrospective inquiries. Stinks to high heaven.
Ever thought that the reason that other forces are now investigating is that they also have complaints on file that they didn't act appropriately on?Heath is dead. He has been for 10 years. There's no 'evidence' bar the submission of an ex copper who stated a brothel keeper attempted to warn off the police when her underage prostitution racket was busted. And an allegation 53 years old. And this has now been headline news with a man's reputation being traduced with at least 3 forces running panicky coverthinearse retrospective inquiries. Stinks to high heaven.
I do agree that it stinks to high heaven. Like an absolutely steaming turd.
Do you think this has been leaked now to deflect from something else? if we focus on dead people then those living aren't in the spotlight. Keep kicking it in the long grass and they, too, will be old or better still, dead.
rover 623gsi said:
article from June 2013
http://www.ibtimes.com/edward-heath-britains-forgo...
In 2007, a former Conservative member of the London Assembly and former mayor of Barnet named Brian Coleman, who is himself gay, made a more sensational charge. Coleman alleged that in the mid-1950s, London police were aware that Heath was "cottaging" (that is, seeking out anonymous sex partners in public lavatories) and that they warned him to stop, lest it damage his career.
Have you ever met Brian Coleman?!http://www.ibtimes.com/edward-heath-britains-forgo...
In 2007, a former Conservative member of the London Assembly and former mayor of Barnet named Brian Coleman, who is himself gay, made a more sensational charge. Coleman alleged that in the mid-1950s, London police were aware that Heath was "cottaging" (that is, seeking out anonymous sex partners in public lavatories) and that they warned him to stop, lest it damage his career.
He is a delusional half wit; no informed person would believe him if he told them the time
ClaphamGT3 said:
Have you ever met Brian Coleman?!
He is a delusional half wit; no informed person would believe him if he told them the time
cottaging for gay sex in an age when homosexuality was against the law. Dear me. Even if Coleman was right I think submitting that as supplementary evidence might see the case laughed out of court. There was apparently a warning given to him shortly after signing up back during WW2. You know what? Couldn't give a rats. Again a substantial lack of actual evidence, mixed with media frenzy = trashing of man's reputation.He is a delusional half wit; no informed person would believe him if he told them the time
In these days of finite resources I fail to see a valid cost benefit that could come from investigating allegations against a dead man. Indeed I'm more than sure there are better things to spend the money on from what we are told are ever diminishing police budgets.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, do not think everything doesn't have a value, it does, including you and me. Think hard on that when you need medical treatment but can't have it due to costs and the drugs not being on the NICE list. Given the current someone's always to blame mentality, does that mean those that create the lists of 'approved' drugs should be done for murder by with holding them?
Why does the main stream media get all hysterical over these historic cases when someone is remotely famous. If anything they seem to whip themselves into a feeding frenzy along with the 'public'. It's as if it's an extension of the shallow populist culture the rag tops and television ply to.
FFS; We will be apologising for the slave trade next....... We will also be turning blind eyes to current and real pedophiles for fear of upsetting minority's.... You get the idea... As a Country we are getting more fked up each day..
And breathe
Before anyone jumps down my throat, do not think everything doesn't have a value, it does, including you and me. Think hard on that when you need medical treatment but can't have it due to costs and the drugs not being on the NICE list. Given the current someone's always to blame mentality, does that mean those that create the lists of 'approved' drugs should be done for murder by with holding them?
Why does the main stream media get all hysterical over these historic cases when someone is remotely famous. If anything they seem to whip themselves into a feeding frenzy along with the 'public'. It's as if it's an extension of the shallow populist culture the rag tops and television ply to.
FFS; We will be apologising for the slave trade next....... We will also be turning blind eyes to current and real pedophiles for fear of upsetting minority's.... You get the idea... As a Country we are getting more f
ked up each day..And breathe
Vaud said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
drivetrain said:
Having read all your posts on this subject I've come to the conclusion that you have some sort of agenda here...
goodoh. Interesting innuendo there. If by agenda you mean that I am calling bullst on a witchhunt on a corpse for lack of evidence, while being outraged by the way media, police and prurient public interest conspire in something out of salem, well yes my agenda should be perfectly clear. Anything else you can put down to your own febrile imaginings. My word what a sinister post.Ridgemont said:
goodoh. Interesting innuendo there. If by agenda you mean that I am calling bullst on a witchhunt on a corpse for lack of evidence, while being outraged by the way media, police and prurient public interest conspire in something out of salem, well yes my agenda should be perfectly clear. Anything else you can put down to your own febrile imaginings. My word what a sinister post.
What about the role of the police?t on a witchhunt on a corpse for lack of evidence, while being outraged by the way media, police and prurient public interest conspire in something out of salem, well yes my agenda should be perfectly clear. Anything else you can put down to your own febrile imaginings. My word what a sinister post.Should that be investigated?
desolate said:
What about the role of the police?
Should that be investigated?
By all means, via hydrant; submit the records, call the parties, etc etc. Except that's what is not happening now is it? We now have Wiltshire actively trawling for possible victims. We have a semi tenuous link to haute la Garonne courtesy of Jersey because he sailed off the Isle of wight. It's nuts. Shut down this nonsense. Point all to Hydrant, and allow them to get on with their job. They may find stuff but my inkling is that they'll end up dragging the same old stories of him being a clandestine gay and that's the end of it. Modernity can't get its head around social proclivities being different back in the day.Should that be investigated?
desolate said:
So don't you think that this allegation needs investigating? I am referring to the allegation that using Heath's name was enough to persuade the police to drop a prosecution for something unrelated to him.)
Edited: And I am not a "paedogeddon" merchant. I am however quite interested to know if the great and the good have been fking kids for the last 50 years. And I am as interested to know who has been facilitating the cover up.
I imagine there will be several people alive today who would have been involved in the madam's case who can provide evidence relating to her allegations. It's the sort of thing you don't easily forget, and probably most of them are retired and don't have promotions to consider.Edited: And I am not a "paedogeddon" merchant. I am however quite interested to know if the great and the good have been f
king kids for the last 50 years. And I am as interested to know who has been facilitating the cover up.Not that she must be telling the truth, she could of course be making it up for any number of reasons, but all-in-all if the various allegations are truthful, the police will see the evidence line up in such a way that they can't all be making it up. I recall hearing evidence about a previous case where the victims recalled details about the offender's house (all different) that they couldn't have known without being there, and the offender denied ever having met them.
Edited by Gareth79 on Wednesday 5th August 02:20
La Liga said:
Vaud said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-3...
In Oxford we all know now it went on for years, and the police under Sara Thornton and others in authority got slated for it happening.
Thornton was asked if she would consider resigning over her force's failings, to which she replied:
'I accept responsibility and, as I've said, I am very sorry that it took so long to take this case to court but the focus has got to be on moving forward.'
It certainly moved forward for her. Now Head of the NPCC.
rover 623gsi said:
In his 1999 book, The Biggest Secret, David Icke claimed that Ted Heath raped and tortured youngsters - he also explicitly calls Greville Janner a paedophile and highlighted Dolphin Square as being the centre of many of these activities.
I genuinely believe that man is portrayed as a loony by the mainstream because much of what he says is true. It is how he first "raised his profile" (and in doing so ended his career). Unwelcome truths are punished far more harshly than lies.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff