And this weeks allegations of child abuse are aimed at:

And this weeks allegations of child abuse are aimed at:

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Snozzwangler

12,230 posts

194 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...

"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."

hehe
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof.

It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.


But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.


rolleyes

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

157 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.

Vaud

50,544 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.

There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:

1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive

HoHoHo

14,987 posts

250 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
If there is evidence then for the sake of the alleged abused investigations should take place and I believe for two reasons:

It can offer closure for the abused

Lessons need to be learned from the past rather than being swept under the carpet.

I've been involved in an abuse case personally after a 35 year period and it's quite amazing how much evidence is presented from a number of sources (with no collaboration so I'm told) that can build a concrete a definite picture abuse was taking place.

That said I understand it's a difficult one when the abuser is dead.


anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Snozzwangler said:
OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...

"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."

hehe
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof.

It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.


But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.


rolleyes
Sorry, i was just teasing. Should have added a wink

No offence intended.

Snozzwangler

12,230 posts

194 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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OpulentBob said:
Snozzwangler said:
OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...

"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."

hehe
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof.

It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.


But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.


rolleyes
Sorry, i was just teasing. Should have added a wink

No offence intended.
I know, you scamp! wink


You never know... I could be an MP wink

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Snozzwangler said:
grumbledoak said:
Snozzwangler said:
A court judgement?
Somewhat unlikely in this case.

But the same could be said of Greville "Too demented for his nonce trial" Janner.
PH pitchforks... To the ready!!!!!


While you're at it, I've never liked the look of Mr Smith at number 22, I'm sure there's something odd about him!


Get him!
Excellent point.

rolleyes

Digga

40,333 posts

283 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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sooperscoop said:
Could it be that all this paedo hysteria of the last decade is not just Daily Mail/Sun retard-baiting, but that we know, deep down, that this country has a problem? As an American colleague put it: "Why is it that Brits like f**king kids so much?"

In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I (perhaps optimistically) see this from another angle; that we're possibly no worse (or better) than anywhere else, but we've decided enough is enough. Moreover, the internet is providing a great conduit for the truth - freedom, initially to read and write (remember that books and knowledge used to be controlled) is a great leveler.

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Is the Public Boarding School system a factor?

Perhaps being brought up in such an environment is not conducive to a "normal" upbringing and forming "normal" relationships in adult life. In Ireland we have had problems with Catholic priests - who were often men who were trained in a very similar secluded environment, i.e. the seminary system - often from a very young age (12 yeas old at one point).

rover 623gsi

5,230 posts

161 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Vaud said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.

There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:

1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
this.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Is the Public Boarding School system a factor?
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.

Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.

Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.

Vaud

50,544 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.

Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.

Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
From the Guardian - private education levels; I was surprised at the % of Labour candidates.

Among Conservative candidates, 49% were found to have been privately educated, compared with 19% of Labour candidates and 36% of Ukip candidates. In the current parliament, 33% of MPs went to independent schools – 52% of Conservative MPs, 10% of Labour MPs and 41% of Liberal Democrat MPs

Eric Mc

122,042 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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I wasn't particularly trying to turn my point into a political one. It was more an observation on the effect of these types of institutions on young boys - whether public schools or seminaries.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

137 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Vaud said:
MarshPhantom said:
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.

Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.

Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
From the Guardian - private education levels; I was surprised at the % of Labour candidates.

Among Conservative candidates, 49% were found to have been privately educated, compared with 19% of Labour candidates and 36% of Ukip candidates. In the current parliament, 33% of MPs went to independent schools – 52% of Conservative MPs, 10% of Labour MPs and 41% of Liberal Democrat MPs
Fair enough, but there's a big difference between a private education and being sent to a boys only boarding school.

0000

13,812 posts

191 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Is the Public Boarding School system a factor?
No.

Vaud

50,544 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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MarshPhantom said:
Fair enough, but there's a big difference between a private education and being sent to a boys only boarding school.
True. Though they are reducing in number - a good thing.

carinaman

21,300 posts

172 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Digga said:
sooperscoop said:
Could it be that all this paedo hysteria of the last decade is not just Daily Mail/Sun retard-baiting, but that we know, deep down, that this country has a problem? As an American colleague put it: "Why is it that Brits like f**king kids so much?"

In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I (perhaps optimistically) see this from another angle; that we're possibly no worse (or better) than anywhere else, but we've decided enough is enough. Moreover, the internet is providing a great conduit for the truth - freedom, initially to read and write (remember that books and knowledge used to be controlled) is a great leveler.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the...

Gove and Straw need to leave the FOI Act alone.


carinaman

21,300 posts

172 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Noon news on Radio 4, seems the Met are also now looking into allegations against Edward Heath in relation to Operation Midland.

snuffy

9,767 posts

284 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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You have to hand it to plod; starting an investigation into a man that's been dead for 10 years.

What are they going to do ? Dig him up and question him ?

Vaud

50,544 posts

155 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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snuffy said:
You have to hand it to plod; starting an investigation into a man that's been dead for 10 years.

What are they going to do ? Dig him up and question him ?
As I noted above:

There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:

1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive

Hasn't changed as valid reasons.