And this weeks allegations of child abuse are aimed at:
Discussion
OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...
"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof."If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.
But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
If there is evidence then for the sake of the alleged abused investigations should take place and I believe for two reasons:It can offer closure for the abused
Lessons need to be learned from the past rather than being swept under the carpet.
I've been involved in an abuse case personally after a 35 year period and it's quite amazing how much evidence is presented from a number of sources (with no collaboration so I'm told) that can build a concrete a definite picture abuse was taking place.
That said I understand it's a difficult one when the abuser is dead.
Snozzwangler said:
OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...
"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof."If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.
But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.
No offence intended.
OpulentBob said:
Snozzwangler said:
OpulentBob said:
I bet Snozzy's an MP...
"If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
Oh I've nothing against the burden of proof."If there's no proof then it didn't happen, you can't prove it, nobody saw me there..."
It just seems to be lacking here at the moment.
But anyway, he looked dodgy and a few people said wierd stuff about him, so yeah, meag-perv.
No offence intended.
You never know... I could be an MP
Snozzwangler said:
grumbledoak said:
Snozzwangler said:
A court judgement?
Somewhat unlikely in this case.But the same could be said of Greville "Too demented for his nonce trial" Janner.
While you're at it, I've never liked the look of Mr Smith at number 22, I'm sure there's something odd about him!
Get him!
sooperscoop said:
Could it be that all this paedo hysteria of the last decade is not just Daily Mail/Sun retard-baiting, but that we know, deep down, that this country has a problem? As an American colleague put it: "Why is it that Brits like f**king kids so much?"
In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I (perhaps optimistically) see this from another angle; that we're possibly no worse (or better) than anywhere else, but we've decided enough is enough. Moreover, the internet is providing a great conduit for the truth - freedom, initially to read and write (remember that books and knowledge used to be controlled) is a great leveler.In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
Is the Public Boarding School system a factor?
Perhaps being brought up in such an environment is not conducive to a "normal" upbringing and forming "normal" relationships in adult life. In Ireland we have had problems with Catholic priests - who were often men who were trained in a very similar secluded environment, i.e. the seminary system - often from a very young age (12 yeas old at one point).
Perhaps being brought up in such an environment is not conducive to a "normal" upbringing and forming "normal" relationships in adult life. In Ireland we have had problems with Catholic priests - who were often men who were trained in a very similar secluded environment, i.e. the seminary system - often from a very young age (12 yeas old at one point).
Vaud said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I do wish they would stop wasting money and investigating people who are dead. It is by definition a one sided story and no action can be taken against them.
I have to disagree.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Eric Mc said:
Is the Public Boarding School system a factor?
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.
Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
MarshPhantom said:
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.
Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.
Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
From the Guardian - private education levels; I was surprised at the % of Labour candidates.Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.
Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
Among Conservative candidates, 49% were found to have been privately educated, compared with 19% of Labour candidates and 36% of Ukip candidates. In the current parliament, 33% of MPs went to independent schools – 52% of Conservative MPs, 10% of Labour MPs and 41% of Liberal Democrat MPs
Vaud said:
MarshPhantom said:
Without trying to score political points the Tories do seem to attract more than their fair share of closet homosexuals.
Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.
Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
From the Guardian - private education levels; I was surprised at the % of Labour candidates.Maybe the fact their sex lives are played out in secret leads to a belief they can get away with ever greater levels of depravity.
Who knows? Certainly isn't just us, Belgium went through a similar thing recently.
Among Conservative candidates, 49% were found to have been privately educated, compared with 19% of Labour candidates and 36% of Ukip candidates. In the current parliament, 33% of MPs went to independent schools – 52% of Conservative MPs, 10% of Labour MPs and 41% of Liberal Democrat MPs
Digga said:
sooperscoop said:
Could it be that all this paedo hysteria of the last decade is not just Daily Mail/Sun retard-baiting, but that we know, deep down, that this country has a problem? As an American colleague put it: "Why is it that Brits like f**king kids so much?"
In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I (perhaps optimistically) see this from another angle; that we're possibly no worse (or better) than anywhere else, but we've decided enough is enough. Moreover, the internet is providing a great conduit for the truth - freedom, initially to read and write (remember that books and knowledge used to be controlled) is a great leveler.In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
Gove and Straw need to leave the FOI Act alone.
snuffy said:
You have to hand it to plod; starting an investigation into a man that's been dead for 10 years.
What are they going to do ? Dig him up and question him ?
As I noted above:What are they going to do ? Dig him up and question him ?
There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Hasn't changed as valid reasons.
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