And this weeks allegations of child abuse are aimed at:
Discussion
PurpleMoonlight said:
MarshPhantom said:
As is Jimmy Savile, would you prefer it if Savile's reputation was still intact?
I would have preferred the public money spent on investigating a dead person and prosecuting the innocent for show was better spent elsewhere, or not at all.
Understand your thoughts but unfortunately it appears there was a culture and it would appear an epidemic of child abuse some years ago.
Are you are suggesting it's not investigated, so we just say ah well it happened and good night?
TTwiggy said:
snuffy said:
Vaud said:
What about the victims?
So you have decided he's guilty then. rover 623gsi said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
I would have preferred the public money spent on investigating a dead person and prosecuting the innocent for show was better spent elsewhere, or not at all.
who are the innocent people that have been prosecuted?
This is "possibly' a serious case of child abuse and if its true it needs to be uncovered to ensure it never happens again - before the pedants start I understand he's dead however I'm talking about learning lessons here.
I can't help but think the process is being managed by a mixture of kicking it into the long grass plus the occasional leak of some juicy information about someone dead or not so important.
This has nicely deflected some news regarding a very much alive politician that I would have thought would have caused more of a stir, even if it has been reported.
This has nicely deflected some news regarding a very much alive politician that I would have thought would have caused more of a stir, even if it has been reported.
roachcoach said:
TTwiggy said:
snuffy said:
Vaud said:
What about the victims?
So you have decided he's guilty then. 
PurpleMoonlight said:
MarshPhantom said:
As is Jimmy Savile, would you prefer it if Savile's reputation was still intact?
I would have preferred the public money spent on investigating a dead person and prosecuting the innocent for show was better spent elsewhere, or not at all.HoHoHo said:
I don't understand why a normal human being wouldn't want this investigated
This is "possibly' a serious case of child abuse and if its true it needs to be uncovered to ensure it never happens again - before the pedants start I understand he's dead however I'm talking about learning lessons here.
The police should not be investigating alleged crimes where there is absolutely zero chance of the state securing a conviction against the alleged perpetrator. They can't prosecute the dead.This is "possibly' a serious case of child abuse and if its true it needs to be uncovered to ensure it never happens again - before the pedants start I understand he's dead however I'm talking about learning lessons here.
Vaud said:
As I noted above:
There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Hasn't changed as valid reasons.
Even if there are, or were, victims, while this might be valid in theory I'm surprised this makes it far enough up the priority list to be worthy of their time in practice.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Hasn't changed as valid reasons.
On the plus side, it looks as though there's room for more budget cuts.
0000 said:
Vaud said:
As I noted above:
There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Hasn't changed as valid reasons.
Even if there are, or were, victims, while this might be valid in theory I'm surprised this makes it far enough up the priority list to be worthy of their time in practice.There should be some investigation to allegations for these reasons:
1) to allow the victims some closure
2) to explore if there are systemic issues that need change
3) to investigate if there are connected victims and potentially abusers who are still alive
Hasn't changed as valid reasons.
PurpleMoonlight said:
HoHoHo said:
I don't understand why a normal human being wouldn't want this investigated
This is "possibly' a serious case of child abuse and if its true it needs to be uncovered to ensure it never happens again - before the pedants start I understand he's dead however I'm talking about learning lessons here.
The police should not be investigating alleged crimes where there is absolutely zero chance of the state securing a conviction against the alleged perpetrator. They can't prosecute the dead.This is "possibly' a serious case of child abuse and if its true it needs to be uncovered to ensure it never happens again - before the pedants start I understand he's dead however I'm talking about learning lessons here.
Just because the man at the centre of the allegations is deceased, this doesn't mean all the facilitators are. But how will you know unless you go digging?
Or do we let all the alleged co-conspirators go uninvestigated?
If someone robs a bank, then is dies later, do you not look for the getaway driver any more?
PurpleMoonlight said:
The police should not be investigating alleged crimes where there is absolutely zero chance of the state securing a conviction against the alleged perpetrator. They can't prosecute the dead.
They can prosecute the people who ignored what was happening. They can change the system so it doesn't happen again.But I doubt that they will.
sooperscoop said:
Could it be that all this paedo hysteria of the last decade is not just Daily Mail/Sun retard-baiting, but that we know, deep down, that this country has a problem? As an American colleague put it: "Why is it that Brits like f**king kids so much?"
In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I mean, I went to the day part of a school that had boarders, and we all knew that a couple of the teachers were banging 5th year girls in the dorms, and that the Asian lads in BMWs had 'young' girlfriends from the local comp. And this was the 80s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33710224In no way am I saying that this issue is confined to the UK, or even that we are significantly worse than anywhere else, but perhaps we have been turning a blind eye to something which is a problem for this country, and it's psyche?
I mean, I went to the day part of a school that had boarders, and we all knew that a couple of the teachers were banging 5th year girls in the dorms, and that the Asian lads in BMWs had 'young' girlfriends from the local comp. And this was the 80s.
PurpleMoonlight said:
MarshPhantom said:
As is Jimmy Savile, would you prefer it if Savile's reputation was still intact?
I would have preferred the public money spent on investigating a dead person and prosecuting the innocent for show was better spent elsewhere, or not at all.WRT to sex offences, it seems pretty clear 'we' have a very messy house. Putting it in order involves getting everything out, in the open and dealt with correctly, so from hereon in, we can continue in the way we mean to carry on. It's not a tidy process; all the mess has to come out first, in order to be dealt with.
desolate said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
The police should not be investigating alleged crimes where there is absolutely zero chance of the state securing a conviction against the alleged perpetrator. They can't prosecute the dead.
They can prosecute the people who ignored what was happening. They can change the system so it doesn't happen again.But I doubt that they will.
PurpleMoonlight said:
roachcoach said:
Just because the man at the centre of the allegations is deceased, this doesn't mean all the facilitators are. But how will you know unless you go digging?
Oh a witch hunt you mean.Or do you not care if there is a possibility some heinous crimes may have been covered up by those placed in charge of their prevention/prosecution?
Should no investigation happen? Should those who have has aspersions cast upon them have no vindication if it's all nonsense?
Guilty or not, the seriousness of the allegations rather demands a look at for all concerned.
If you can't understand why that might be, there is really nothing further to say.
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