last Dambuster dies....

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Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

169 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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DJRC said:
Why is it sad? What a daft thing to say!
Celebrate the ballsy bd ffs, dont mope and whine about how sad it is a bloke dying at 96 after a long, active and fulfilling life! He was still flying last yr!
Good on the bugger, cracking innings and a damn fine death. Well played Sqn Ldr.
Thats my perspective on things. I lost my Dad last month. He would have been 99 later this month. Whilst the last 18 months were challenging, he had a great life , travelled the world, did all that the mood took him to do.

Nothing to be sad about at all, all good things come to an end.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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AJS- said:
DJRC said:
Why is it sad? What a daft thing to say!

Celebrate the ballsy bd ffs, dont mope and whine about how sad it is a bloke dying at 96 after a long, active and fulfilling life! He was still flying last yr!
Good on the bugger, cracking innings and a damn fine death. Well played Sqn Ldr.
Inclined to agree with this. It's sad when someone dies in their 20s or 30s. It's sad when someone dies lonely and forgotten. A decorated war hero who had a great life and lived until he was 96. That's expected.
It's a good point.

RIP a hero who did things I hope we never have to do again & lived a very full life.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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It is sad that we are no longer in his company.


I have noticed fewer WW2 military obits in the papers too...that generation is all but gone.

Jasandjules

69,885 posts

229 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Brave lads. RIP.

SPS

1,306 posts

260 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
I can never agree with that sentiment. Are you saying modern RAF pilots wouldn't do what he did if asked?
Do you actually know the detail of what they did?
If you do then you know that it would not even be asked as they have smart stand off weapons now you know!
If not look it up - amazing!

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Actually the MO was used by the RAF upto and inc GW1. JP233 Airfield Denial System. And other stuff.

Now please, for the love of God, don't ask/challenge Eric about aircraft stuff before he bores the living tits off the rest of us with the amateur plane geek crap.

SPS

1,306 posts

260 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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DJRC said:
Actually the MO was used by the RAF upto and inc GW1. JP233 Airfield Denial System. And other stuff.

Now please, for the love of God, don't ask/challenge Eric about aircraft stuff before he bores the living tits off the rest of us with the amateur plane geek crap.
Don't worry - I know when I'm beat - I just used to fly some "old crates" back in the day redcard

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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I bet he drank Carling Black Label.

Pat H

8,056 posts

256 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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If you haven't already read it, I can recommend "No Moon Tonight" by Don Charlwood.

It tells the tale of a single, ordinary tour of operations on Halifaxes and Lancs from the point of view of an Australian navigator.

It is a beautifully written book, which brings into focus just a few of the human sacrifices made for us.

It is well worth seeking out.

Don Charlwood also lived into his nineties, and died just a year or two ago.

The passing of Les Munro is nothing to be sad about, but it is a poignant reminder that many of his comrades weren't even fortunate enough to survive the raid, let alone the war.

And a timely reminder of the huge number of men from the Dominions and the Colonies who fought to defend Britain during both wars.

drink

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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SPS said:
Do you actually know the detail of what they did?
Yes.

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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DJRC said:
Actually the MO was used by the RAF upto and inc GW1. JP233 Airfield Denial System. And other stuff.

Now please, for the love of God, don't ask/challenge Eric about aircraft stuff before he bores the living tits off the rest of us with the amateur plane geek crap.
There was no call for that. I wasn't intending on replying to the comment apart from a simple "yes".

bad company

18,574 posts

266 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Something I'd like to do.
You can arrange a trip to the RAF Scampton museum here:-

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafscampton/aboutus/location...

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Tuesday 4th August 2015
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Thanks. I might do that some day if I find myself in that ;part of the world.

SPS

1,306 posts

260 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
SPS said:
Do you actually know the detail of what they did?
Yes.
Well then you also know the answer - as I have stated no pilot today would be asked or need to do that kind of operational flying.
So you are an expert of aircraft types then, cool.
I'm not but did fly back in the 70's.

iambeowulf

712 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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RIP.

I never use that term for these empty soulless celebs. Cilla's dead. Meh. If I want to see her I'll watch Blind D Date on YouTube.

Horaa for those guys. clap

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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SPS said:
Well then you also know the answer - as I have stated no pilot today would be asked or need to do that kind of operational flying.
So you are an expert of aircraft types then, cool.
I'm not but did fly back in the 70's.
Obviously, the technology has moved on but, depending on the enemy being operated against, the dangers could be just as high. So I believe that the men (and women) who sign up to fly aircraft to defend their country today are every bit as brave as those who did so in the past.

Halmyre

11,193 posts

139 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Munro's aircraft was hit by flak, the radio was damaged and he had to return to base. Possibly a lucky break for him, given the fate of many of the others, although I'm not sure landing a damaged aircraft at night with five tons of bomb still on board was safer or preferable to dropping the bd over a dam in the Ruhr Valley.

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Even getting a Lancaster off the ground with a heavy bomb load was hazardous.

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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SPS said:
Eric Mc said:
SPS said:
Do you actually know the detail of what they did?
Yes.
Well then you also know the answer - as I have stated no pilot today would be asked or need to do that kind of operational flying.
So you are an expert of aircraft types then, cool.
I'm not but did fly back in the 70's.
Oh ffs! You were warned! Now we will all have to suffer frown

Eric Mc

122,010 posts

265 months

Wednesday 5th August 2015
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Making DJRC suffer could become a very enjoyable pastime. However, in a gesture of kindness and reconciliation, I'll refrain.