Another BBC jamboree..bless
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NicD said:
Eric Mc said:
Can the BBC EVER do anything right EVER again?
Not as long as there is a legally enforced license fee covering all owners of a TV receiver. Get over it.
I am completely "over it" - whatever you mean by "it". It's the anti- BBC brigade who seem to be in a permanent state of apoplexy over this issue. I am happy to live with "it" indefinitely.
Eric Mc said:
So they NEVER did anything right ever - as the licence fee has been in existence since the 1920s.
I am completely "over it" - whatever you mean by "it". It's the anti- BBC brigade who seem to be in a permanent state of apoplexy over this issue. I am happy to live with "it" indefinitely.
Curiously enough,the world has changed since 1920's rather radically. I am completely "over it" - whatever you mean by "it". It's the anti- BBC brigade who seem to be in a permanent state of apoplexy over this issue. I am happy to live with "it" indefinitely.
The BBC survey form I recently filled in, compiled by them. offered 3 methods of funding for the BBC. None of them involved a subscription/advert method, , all those 3 methods were mandatory to pay, use the BBC or not ,IE: no freedom of choice.
Says a lot about them. Their "customers" (or not) are merely a manifestation of the cash they can gain by any means.
They assist in jailing people who carry out the heinous crime of watching a live broadcast TV signal, outside their terms , that, is absurd, if not nasty in extreme. How they howled when decriminalising that heinous crime was raised.
Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Wednesday 5th August 17:20
Eric Mc said:
Hi Cheesy.
I was wondering when you'd turn up
Can't resist a spot of BBC thrashing.
No thrashing at all, merely facts. BBC can do what it likes when I can decide if I pay for its services or not, its that simple. I was wondering when you'd turn up
Can't resist a spot of BBC thrashing.
Way I see it, TV services are going pay for show, or rolling subs service , always happy to pay for what I want,being forced to pay for something I don't want, not happy, doing so ,payin for something not wanted never has been a bargain. The BBC is not an essential service, being funded akin to one , is absurd.
motco said:
In every single news bulletin they (BBC and others) send reporters to stand and do a piece to camera from a location vaguely connected with the story they're running. I have to laugh when the poor sod is standing in peeing rain and freezing cold outside (say) the foreign office talking about a subject involving said department when all the windows are dark and the staff are at home supping cocoa in the warm. What the hell is the point?
Perfect example of this on BBC Midlands this lunchtime. The story (if you can call it that) was that Justin Bieber (sp?) had withdrawn from performing at a Princes Trust concert scheduled to take place at a park in Birmingham in a month or so. So the BBC sent a reporter to the park, where absolutely nothing is happening today, to report on it. Just in case we didn't know what a park looked like 
Before the BBC do anything, they need to poll their viewers to see if they should or not. Otherwise the ire of certain PHers will be flung at them for every perceived waste of their money.
And only right too. I mean, that .0000001p that they spent of MY money to send a reporter to Reunion is utterly disgraceful.
And only right too. I mean, that .0000001p that they spent of MY money to send a reporter to Reunion is utterly disgraceful.
Eric Mc said:
Before the BBC do anything, they need to poll their viewers to see if they should or not. Otherwise the ire of certain PHers will be flung at them for every perceived waste of their money.
And only right too. I mean, that .0000001p that they spent of MY money to send a reporter to Reunion is utterly disgraceful.
Very good...And only right too. I mean, that .0000001p that they spent of MY money to send a reporter to Reunion is utterly disgraceful.
Question is just how many times do they do this?
To be fair though Eric, whilst they are whinging about funding cuts, end choosing to kill off programmes and channels that are very popular in the name of the revenue challenges, examples of wastes will be focused on.
Sending a crew and equipment to Reunion will be costing a minimum of £100k a week. I suspect very few would consider this value for money, especially as the content doesn't seem to add anything to the story. These add up very, very quickly over a year.
We've had chats regarding my profession (asked thanks again for your advice), quite often I have to support businesses who are likely to fail unless drastic measures are enacted. In every case, the primary philosophy is to protect all aspects of service and be ruthless about every single other expense. Only one that has happened, can you rebuild to suit the new reality. The beeb seem to be wilfully doing the opposite - any business that relies on customers choosing to use them would find themselves in a vicious cycle to failure of they adopted the same approach...
Professionally, that pains me. As a customer, it's really bloody annoying. That's as someone who has typically been an advocate of Auntie...
Sending a crew and equipment to Reunion will be costing a minimum of £100k a week. I suspect very few would consider this value for money, especially as the content doesn't seem to add anything to the story. These add up very, very quickly over a year.
We've had chats regarding my profession (asked thanks again for your advice), quite often I have to support businesses who are likely to fail unless drastic measures are enacted. In every case, the primary philosophy is to protect all aspects of service and be ruthless about every single other expense. Only one that has happened, can you rebuild to suit the new reality. The beeb seem to be wilfully doing the opposite - any business that relies on customers choosing to use them would find themselves in a vicious cycle to failure of they adopted the same approach...
Professionally, that pains me. As a customer, it's really bloody annoying. That's as someone who has typically been an advocate of Auntie...
Sway said:
To be fair though Eric, whilst they are whinging about funding cuts, end choosing to kill off programmes and channels that are very popular in the name of the revenue challenges, examples of wastes will be focused on.
Sending a crew and equipment to Reunion will be costing a minimum of £100k a week. I suspect very few would consider this value for money, especially as the content doesn't seem to add anything to the story. These add up very, very quickly over a year.
We've had chats regarding my profession (asked thanks again for your advice), quite often I have to support businesses who are likely to fail unless drastic measures are enacted. In every case, the primary philosophy is to protect all aspects of service and be ruthless about every single other expense. Only one that has happened, can you rebuild to suit the new reality. The beeb seem to be wilfully doing the opposite - any business that relies on customers choosing to use them would find themselves in a vicious cycle to failure of they adopted the same approach...
Professionally, that pains me. As a customer, it's really bloody annoying. That's as someone who has typically been an advocate of Auntie...
If you look at ANY organisation you will find examples of what may be defined as waste - and I am sure the BBC are going to be as guilty, if not more guilty, than most.Sending a crew and equipment to Reunion will be costing a minimum of £100k a week. I suspect very few would consider this value for money, especially as the content doesn't seem to add anything to the story. These add up very, very quickly over a year.
We've had chats regarding my profession (asked thanks again for your advice), quite often I have to support businesses who are likely to fail unless drastic measures are enacted. In every case, the primary philosophy is to protect all aspects of service and be ruthless about every single other expense. Only one that has happened, can you rebuild to suit the new reality. The beeb seem to be wilfully doing the opposite - any business that relies on customers choosing to use them would find themselves in a vicious cycle to failure of they adopted the same approach...
Professionally, that pains me. As a customer, it's really bloody annoying. That's as someone who has typically been an advocate of Auntie...
That's not the point.
The point is that EVERY single thing they do know will be used against them to beat them up. If they DIDN'T cover a particular news story they would probably get slagged off for not doing their job properly and not making proper use of licence fee money etc etc etc.
They are on a lose, lose, lose situation now, especially here on PH, no matter WHAT they do.
Let's face it, there is a section on here who simply want them eliminated - and they will use every aspect of what they do as ammunition against them. It's a kind of crazy mania from what I can see.
I wonder is it possible to pick up a manic type psychosis simply by engaging on internet fora? I'm beginning to wonder.
Absolutely, hence why I've never struggled for work!
Also agree that some will look for complaint.
However, in this instance they effectively had four options:
1) Not covered the story. This would have rightly drawn criticism as it is most definitely a story the public is interested in.
2) Crew to Reunion. Cost £100k plus. Editorial content being criticised due to the point of the story having already left, and pretty tenuous in it's informational content.
3) Covered from studio. Cost zero (covered by existing overhead). Editorial likely to attract criticism due to perceived laziness and lack of priority given to poor of the big stories of the last year.
4) Cover from Toulouse (I assume that's where the aircraft part has been sent, although definitely France). Cost approx £10-15k a week. Editorial unlikely to attract logical criticism due to being where the story currently is, plus the ability to add interesting content from Airbus - the techniques to determine origination/the governance processes ensuring up to date 'as flown' inventories/etc. At least, I found it very interesting when it was explained to me by some very clever chaps at my current client (who handle aircraft parts from Boeing/Airbus on a daily basis). Any criticism would be easily argued against as entrenched position.
That's the type of cost/value analysis I'd expect them to be using in every single instance. It's taken me less than five minutes, yet I know relatively little about news broadcasting - this should be easy bread and butter for them. Especially in the heightened scrutiny they have been under in recent history - it's daft to distribute ammunition when you know you're surrounded by enemies...
Also agree that some will look for complaint.
However, in this instance they effectively had four options:
1) Not covered the story. This would have rightly drawn criticism as it is most definitely a story the public is interested in.
2) Crew to Reunion. Cost £100k plus. Editorial content being criticised due to the point of the story having already left, and pretty tenuous in it's informational content.
3) Covered from studio. Cost zero (covered by existing overhead). Editorial likely to attract criticism due to perceived laziness and lack of priority given to poor of the big stories of the last year.
4) Cover from Toulouse (I assume that's where the aircraft part has been sent, although definitely France). Cost approx £10-15k a week. Editorial unlikely to attract logical criticism due to being where the story currently is, plus the ability to add interesting content from Airbus - the techniques to determine origination/the governance processes ensuring up to date 'as flown' inventories/etc. At least, I found it very interesting when it was explained to me by some very clever chaps at my current client (who handle aircraft parts from Boeing/Airbus on a daily basis). Any criticism would be easily argued against as entrenched position.
That's the type of cost/value analysis I'd expect them to be using in every single instance. It's taken me less than five minutes, yet I know relatively little about news broadcasting - this should be easy bread and butter for them. Especially in the heightened scrutiny they have been under in recent history - it's daft to distribute ammunition when you know you're surrounded by enemies...
And the gravy train continues...
Incensed of Walmer has just sat through 60 minutes of blatant license fee abuse/BBC largesse and wastage - they sent reporters to the ISS to talk about rubbish, they could have come round here and seen rubbish on the streets, how dare they? I swear I saw a CBBC presenter on one of the solar arrays waving at an army of BBC toadynaughts in one of the modules (that no doubt my license tax paid for).
I was further frothified by the lack of the mandatory global warming reminder - I nearly forgot that was another thing I need to be angry about.
I swear if they report on the weather from Scotland that'll be it - the wastage, I don't even live there - how dare they spend my money on that sort of thing.
End this now
Incensed of Walmer has just sat through 60 minutes of blatant license fee abuse/BBC largesse and wastage - they sent reporters to the ISS to talk about rubbish, they could have come round here and seen rubbish on the streets, how dare they? I swear I saw a CBBC presenter on one of the solar arrays waving at an army of BBC toadynaughts in one of the modules (that no doubt my license tax paid for).
I was further frothified by the lack of the mandatory global warming reminder - I nearly forgot that was another thing I need to be angry about.
I swear if they report on the weather from Scotland that'll be it - the wastage, I don't even live there - how dare they spend my money on that sort of thing.
End this now
GnuBee said:
they sent reporters to the ISS to talk about rubbish, they could have come round here and seen rubbish on the streets, how dare they? I swear I saw a CBBC presenter on one of the solar arrays waving at an army of BBC toadynaughts in one of the modules
I'd heard there was a lot of rubbish in orbit 
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