5p charge for plastic bags from October 2015 to cut usage

[Vipers]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

technodup said:

Same as I'll not fanny about separating rubbish for the benefit of the council.

Thanks for helping to make the world a crapier place.

It would be possible to agree with that, except for the fact that collectors have been seen and filmed tipping each separated rubbish type into the same container, in addition other countries manage to sort at the depot. It was done that way in the part of Spain where we had a base, and there are online articles discussing the methods used i.e. not by householders using a myriad of multicoloured receptacles.

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Letter-Recycling-po...

Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 8th August 19:35

Sadly your right, but we should do our bit and just say fk it.

[Randy Winkman]

technodup said:

Randy Winkman said:

technodup said:

Same as I'll not fanny about separating rubbish for the benefit of the council.

Thanks for helping to make the world a crapier place.

Roll your eyes all you like. Rubbish goes in the bin. I pay them to deal with it.

£1500 a year to get a bin emptied every fortnight and to keep the streetlights on. The roads are a disgrace, I don't use schools, social work, housing services, libraries or anything else I can think of. Not sure that's value for money.

Funny how officialdom is quite happy to tax us in order to change our behaviours but never quite so happy to incentivise us. All stick and no carrot as per.

Lots of things in the world aren't how I'd have them either. But I make the best of it.

[KFC]

technodup said:

£1500 a year to get a bin emptied every fortnight and to keep the streetlights on. The roads are a disgrace, I don't use schools, social work, housing services, libraries or anything else I can think of. Not sure that's value for money.

Sometimes its hard to tell the difference between trolling and stupid.

[Eric Mc]

technodup said:

oll your eyes all you like. Rubbish goes in the bin. I pay them to deal with it.

£1500 a year to get a bin emptied every fortnight and to keep the streetlights on. The roads are a disgrace, I don't use schools, social work, housing services, libraries or anything else I can think of. Not sure that's value for money.

Funny how officialdom is quite happy to tax us in order to change our behaviours but never quite so happy to incentivise us. All stick and no carrot as per.

What a mean spirited, nasty approach to life.

[turbobloke]

Eric Mc said:

technodup said:

oll your eyes all you like. Rubbish goes in the bin. I pay them to deal with it.

£1500 a year to get a bin emptied every fortnight and to keep the streetlights on. The roads are a disgrace, I don't use schools, social work, housing services, libraries or anything else I can think of. Not sure that's value for money.

Funny how officialdom is quite happy to tax us in order to change our behaviours but never quite so happy to incentivise us. All stick and no carrot as per.

What a mean spirited, nasty approach to life.

When did expecting, and looking for, value for money start being mean-spirited and nasty? If somebody in the position of the poster you just criticised is in a minority, given how minorities are treated by the public sector, they should expect a cherry on it.

Micromanaging people's lives is not officialdumb's job outside Stasi territory. What is their job - whatever it is - they're not doing it very well, but we're paying through the nose anyway and saying so is not nasty.

[technodup]

Eric Mc said:

What a mean spirited, nasty approach to life.

Not sure how it's mean spirited to point out that as a single council tax payer I get significantly less value for money than for example a family of five with kids at school and who might use social services every now and then.

I don't see why a tax for local services should be based on house values. IMO the poll tax was a fairer method.

[Eric Mc]

What's that got to do with plastic bags or making a very small effort to sort the rubbish you create on a daily basis?

[bitchstewie]

I'm with Eric tbh, it is just petty for the sake of being petty.

Separating rubbish probably adds 30 seconds to my week, it's not even something I think about any more.

It probably takes me longer to look up which bin is being collected on a given week than it actually takes to separate stuff out.

[Eric Mc]

I'm all for people having principles. I'm all for people standing on their principles.

But, if you are going to make a big song and dance based on your principles, pick a topic where your principles REALLY matter.

Otherwise, you will anger yourself into an early grave getting upset and enraged about every little thing.

Ration your anger - for your own sake.

[greygoose]

Eric Mc said:

What's that got to do with plastic bags or making a very small effort to sort the rubbish you create on a daily basis?

Nothing at all, but it helps him justify his laziness and rebellion against officialdom.

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

I'm with Eric tbh, it is just petty for the sake of being petty.

Separating rubbish probably adds 30 seconds to my week, it's not even something I think about any more.

Then it gets thrown together - see earlier post(s). Waste of time.

Being petty for the sake of petty is moving to unhygienic and inconvenient fortnightly general waste collections then dishing out fines (and/or not collecting the rubbish) because the lid is open a few inches or the bin is too heavy.

Your bin was too heavy or overloaded

Fined because his bin lid was open a few inches

[technodup]

bhstewie said:

I'm with Eric tbh, it is just petty for the sake of being petty.

No, being petty would be putting the wrong stuff in the wrong boxes. I just put everything in the one bin as I always have.

In saying that I think we've only got two, green and blue, and I don't know what's meant to go in the blue one. They don't get lifted because nobody uses them.

[bitchstewie]

We can all point to some weird example of officialdom about anything we have to do.

Spend 30 seconds and find out what should go in the mystery blue bin, life's too short to get bitter about a fking wastebin

[Eric Mc]

getting angry about waste is a waste of your anger.

[Smollet]

I too pay around £1200 pa to get my bins collected every two weeks and having the street lights on as I don't use any other service provided by my local council that I'm aware of but I do make an effort to separate my rubbish into the bins I'm asked to. It's not exactly a major drain on my time.

[turbobloke]

Eric Mc said:

getting angry about waste is a waste of your anger.

I see what you did there. Presumably it's better to recycle such emotions. After recent posts you had better be sure you put them in the correct cranial memory centre and not leave your mouth open a couple of inches.

Even so...

Waste management is an essential element of public hygiene and a cost that the public pay for in taxes - so value for money and realism are expected and should be provided.

This 5p tax, as per its comrades in Scotland and Wales, is a purely political decision representing pointless tokenism. Bad/weak legislation is understandably subject to criticism.

[turbobloke]

Smollet said:

I too pay around £1200 pa to get my bins collected every two weeks and having the street lights on as I don't use any other service provided by my local council that I'm aware of but I do make an effort to separate my rubbish into the bins I'm asked to. It's not exactly a major drain on my time.

It's not necessary though. On what we pay compared to at least one other EU country I have recent experience of, we should have superb waste sepataration and recycling centres at regional depots, and local taxpayers should be spared the rigmarole of sorting rubbish only for binmen to slop it all together all too often. Is lowest common denominator bare minumum accept anything and lump it really the best we can aspire to as a country - I think not.

http://www.waste-management-world.com/articles/pri...

[bitchstewie]

Tokenism is fine by me.

I shop at Waitrose sometimes, I shop at Lidl sometimes.

Waitrose don't charge for bags, Lidl do.

I remember to take my own bag with me to Lidl more than I do Waitrose.

I'm not short of the 3p that a carrier bag costs so I can only assume that psychologically having to pay for a bag makes me remember or something.

I see it in town, hordes of people walking around carrying half a dozen carrier bags when even if you used carrier bags, one or two would suffice - it isn't difficult you just say "I don't need a bag I'll pop it in this one".

[turbobloke]

bhstewie said:

Tokenism is fine by me.

I shop at Waitrose sometimes, I shop at Lidl sometimes.

Waitrose don't charge for bags, Lidl do.

I remember to take my own bag with me to Lidl more than I do Waitrose.

I'm not short of the 3p that a carrier bag costs so I can only assume that psychologically having to pay for a bag makes me remember or something.

I see it in town, hordes of people walking around carrying half a dozen carrier bags when even if you used carrier bags, one or two would suffice - it isn't difficult you just say "I don't need a bag I'll pop it in this one".

OK but not fine by others though, with small retailer opt-outs and shopkeepers potentially pocketing the non-VAT element, it's a waste of legislative time, that goes beyond a family walking around with one bag too many (not that we can judge strength of bags at a distance but hey ho).

[0000]

At least then my Welsh mother in law might stop hassling us for carrier bags.

I don't understand why we can't have the paper grocery bags they seem to have in the States.