5p charge for plastic bags from October 2015 to cut usage
Discussion
I am amazed science hasn't developed a compostable alternative to the plastic bag - made out of corn starch etc? I can get them for bagging dog poop so why not for carrying my shopping?
I also don't understand why the council don't also accept plastic bags for recycling? I can recycle all sorts of household plastics, glass and cans - but if I want to recycle plastic bags then I need to drive to the tip / supermarket and recycle them that way. I do but 95% of other people just wont bother.
I also don't understand why the council don't also accept plastic bags for recycling? I can recycle all sorts of household plastics, glass and cans - but if I want to recycle plastic bags then I need to drive to the tip / supermarket and recycle them that way. I do but 95% of other people just wont bother.
oyster said:
Except in this case of a 5p change on plastic bags there are no losers.
Well except for forgetful people.
Which is brilliant - a tax on being dim.
A charge on dementia suffers does not sound as good. Well except for forgetful people.
Which is brilliant - a tax on being dim.
But then they will have forgotten what they went to the shops for, so it may not be so bad, they will not need a bag.
Here in Wales it's been in for a few years now.
It's surprising how quick you get into making sure you have a bag in the car.
At supermarkets you can still have the cheapy bags but you pay 5p each for them, it's surprising now, how few people buy them.
I own a shop,and when the law was passed we were told that the charge was no less than 5p for certain size bags,certain items that needed to be packed in plastic bags,some food for example,bags were not charged.
On the implementation of this law,we were also told non compliance as a shop keeper, there was a fine of £2000.
Joe public has it set in their mind it's 5p per bag, although it costs me more than 5p for a decent carrier,I sell them at a loss.
I cannot pack my stuff in crappy thin bags.
I see less bags hanging from branches along the stretch of river by me now though.
It's surprising how quick you get into making sure you have a bag in the car.
At supermarkets you can still have the cheapy bags but you pay 5p each for them, it's surprising now, how few people buy them.
I own a shop,and when the law was passed we were told that the charge was no less than 5p for certain size bags,certain items that needed to be packed in plastic bags,some food for example,bags were not charged.
On the implementation of this law,we were also told non compliance as a shop keeper, there was a fine of £2000.
Joe public has it set in their mind it's 5p per bag, although it costs me more than 5p for a decent carrier,I sell them at a loss.
I cannot pack my stuff in crappy thin bags.
I see less bags hanging from branches along the stretch of river by me now though.
Can somebody help me out here? These plastic bags littering the countryside that I rarely see?
If they are there, what circumstances make people dump them?
Just can't see it, you don't buy something in a plastic bag, go home, remove it from the bag, then go outside to dump the bag, do you?
Or buy something in a plastic bag to consume, then throw away the bag. Why would you need a bag if you're going to dump what you're consuming anyway?
I am truly baffled about this.
If they are there, what circumstances make people dump them?
Just can't see it, you don't buy something in a plastic bag, go home, remove it from the bag, then go outside to dump the bag, do you?
Or buy something in a plastic bag to consume, then throw away the bag. Why would you need a bag if you're going to dump what you're consuming anyway?
I am truly baffled about this.
soad said:
mybrainhurts said:
If they are there, what circumstances make people dump them?
Glastonbury etc.And wouldn't 10 pieces of rubbish contained within a plastic bag be better than 10 pieces of rubbish floating about?
One thing that hasn't been mentioned, is that in Wales the income from bag sales are donated to local "environmental" charities.
Read into that what you want, but there is some financial benefit to third party organisations, even if u don't necessarily agree with their individual message or politics.
Read into that what you want, but there is some financial benefit to third party organisations, even if u don't necessarily agree with their individual message or politics.
mybrainhurts said:
Eric Mc said:
Maybe you're just not observant. I see plenty.
No, I love the countryside and I don't think I miss anything. If I did see bags everywhere, I wouldn't like it but, if there were no plastic bags, something else would be there instead, so plastic bags aren't the problem. What part of the country are you talking about?Smollet said:
It seems to me there are some people here who think that the convenience of using plastic bags is more important than their effect on the environment.
Also, many of them own one or even more cars instead of cycling or getting the bus everywhere, and some of them own really quite unnecessarily thirsty cars. The heartless b
ds, they clearly think that's more important than their effect on the environment.
otolith said:
Smollet said:
It seems to me there are some people here who think that the convenience of using plastic bags is more important than their effect on the environment.
Also, many of them own one or even more cars instead of cycling or getting the bus everywhere, and some of them own really quite unnecessarily thirsty cars. The heartless bds, they clearly think that's more important than their effect on the environment.Plastic bag taxing is feelgood factoring for the easily gulled. Did the proposed small retaoler exemption make it through, I think it did and if so the situation can't be at all critical; also does the ban include the slightly smaller than standard plastic bags like those you can get free from Marks'n'Sparks, I think not? In a previous post I mentioned pointless tokenism, that should have been inconsistent pointless tokenism.
It's not just supermarkets, we have had the details about this coming through recently.
At present we have certain customers that demand a carrier bag no matter what they are buying (ie a box of 100 screws or a 5l tin of paint), when we are running out of bags we order them on the stationery order and in they come with the next delivery (or it's it not that time, we 'borrow' some from another local store)
From October they will become a stock item with their own SKU, if a customer wants one then they have to be processed through the till like any other item, and head office will be checking stock levels, what we have in store should balance with what they sent us minus the ones sold. And they will only be replenished when stocks have reached a certain level.
Any telephone/internet orders that come through that haven't had a bag purchased on the order is not allowed to be bagged up, so Mr Smith orders a dozen tubes of sealant and doesn't buy a bag will not get a bag, if he wants one when he comes in to collect, then it has to go through the till as a sale.
I can see lots of arguments and complaints coming.
At present we have certain customers that demand a carrier bag no matter what they are buying (ie a box of 100 screws or a 5l tin of paint), when we are running out of bags we order them on the stationery order and in they come with the next delivery (or it's it not that time, we 'borrow' some from another local store)
From October they will become a stock item with their own SKU, if a customer wants one then they have to be processed through the till like any other item, and head office will be checking stock levels, what we have in store should balance with what they sent us minus the ones sold. And they will only be replenished when stocks have reached a certain level.
Any telephone/internet orders that come through that haven't had a bag purchased on the order is not allowed to be bagged up, so Mr Smith orders a dozen tubes of sealant and doesn't buy a bag will not get a bag, if he wants one when he comes in to collect, then it has to go through the till as a sale.
I can see lots of arguments and complaints coming.
Eric Mc said:
mybrainhurts said:
Eric Mc said:
Maybe you're just not observant. I see plenty.
No, I love the countryside and I don't think I miss anything. If I did see bags everywhere, I wouldn't like it but, if there were no plastic bags, something else would be there instead, so plastic bags aren't the problem. What part of the country are you talking about?
Eric Mc said:
Perhaps.
Although there is a fair bit of rural countryside around where I live, there are also lots of supermarkets, fast food joints etc so I think that must have an impact. A TRUE rural area won't suffer from this.
I wonder how many of them are dumped by people and how many are blown away from rubbish handling facilities - might be more effective to look at improving containment of processes there in general.Although there is a fair bit of rural countryside around where I live, there are also lots of supermarkets, fast food joints etc so I think that must have an impact. A TRUE rural area won't suffer from this.
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