Why is Tony Blair so unpopular?
Discussion
grumbledoak said:
Leaving an entire country in a far worse state than he found it for his own personal financial gain.
He probably wanted a mention in the history books, too. May I suggest "Venal, lying, w
ker"?
Worth remembering that every Tory MP voted to go to war while nearly 120 Labour MPs voted against.He probably wanted a mention in the history books, too. May I suggest "Venal, lying, w
ker"?www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/26/foreignpo...
MarshPhantom said:
But I voted New Labour in 1997 because I was absolutely fking sick of the Tories, not because I was taken in by Blair. Worth remembering that you vote for the Party, not the leader. I went off him as soon as I realised he was a man of god, which was very early on.
Yet it appears he chose the wrong church to start with...king sick of the Tories, not because I was taken in by Blair. Worth remembering that you vote for the Party, not the leader. I went off him as soon as I realised he was a man of god, which was very early on.Puggit said:
MarshPhantom said:
But I voted New Labour in 1997 because I was absolutely fking sick of the Tories, not because I was taken in by Blair. Worth remembering that you vote for the Party, not the leader. I went off him as soon as I realised he was a man of god, which was very early on.
Yet it appears he chose the wrong church to start with...king sick of the Tories, not because I was taken in by Blair. Worth remembering that you vote for the Party, not the leader. I went off him as soon as I realised he was a man of god, which was very early on.so voted Lib Dem from then on (which bit me on the arse hard in 2010)
Now, I don't like any of the political parties, so its now voting for who will do the least harm, not who I think is best.
glazbagun said:
Righties hate him because Labour, high state spending, and reminders of the oblivion he consigned the Tories to, Lefties hate him because he was a pragmatist, not an idealist. And the Iraq War.
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Yep.
Centrists thought he meant what we said by "New labour" and were disappointed when the results were more of the same "old labour" policies of massive boosts to state spending, welfare dependency and enforced "multi-culturalism"
The left dislike him because he didn't follow their default anti-American position in foreign policy and no matter how left wing a labour leader is he will never be left wing enough.
Personally I think he was a very dangerous politician for Britain because he sounded reasonable enough, but in his European and other policies took us to the brink of national self-extinction. I would far rather a lefty who was honest about his agenda so people have a choice at the ballot box.
anonymous said:
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^ This about sums it up for me.He also nauseatingly cosied up to an odious regime in the Bush administration. Just think about Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle et al for a moment and see if it doesn't make you want to be sick. Blair's insolent insistence that he was right to do so in the face of the facts is even more sickening.
If millions of members of the public could see that a war on Iraq was a terrible idea and that the "evidence" was bulls
t then it's just inconceivable that Blair couldn't make the same judgment and yet he pushed it through (with the assistance of most Labour MPs and the Parliamentary Conservative Party let's not forget) to boost his own ego.His self-serving religiosity and naked greed are also stomach-turning.
rohrl said:
anonymous said:
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^ This about sums it up for me.He also nauseatingly cosied up to an odious regime in the Bush administration. Just think about Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle et al for a moment and see if it doesn't make you want to be sick. Blair's insolent insistence that he was right to do so in the face of the facts is even more sickening.
If millions of members of the public could see that a war on Iraq was a terrible idea and that the "evidence" was bulls
t then it's just inconceivable that Blair couldn't make the same judgment and yet he pushed it through (with the assistance of most Labour MPs and the Parliamentary Conservative Party let's not forget) to boost his own ego.His self-serving religiosity and naked greed are also stomach-turning.
The irony of course being that New Labour is the only really electable flavour of Labour in the 21st Century - and it's been made unelectable as a result of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Puggit said:
Having made his millions by serving himself instead of the country, he now relies on the country to protect him.
WTF is that about?
I was cycling to Paddington this last tube strike and found myself going through Beaufort square. I noticed around one of the houses there were three armed Police on guard. I thought to myself, must be an embassy of somesuch perhaps, where we're spending 10,000 a month keeping an eye on Julian Assange. Checking later it turns out to be the Blair residence! The guy is treated like royalty. To me it seems like his whole time in office was simply to set himself up for life as a highly prominent and wealthy pseudo regent. Looking back at his overall performance in office, it really does not seem deserved.WTF is that about?
Hateful, disgusting hypocrite of a man. Will never understand how he can sleep at night knowing he fked up Iraq and the Iraqi peoples lives, and of course the lives of the British soldiers and their families. And there was of course all the business surrounding Dr David Kelly...
His a war criminal, alongside Bush. The hypocrisy in politics is just unbelievable. No morals or consciousness at all.
ked up Iraq and the Iraqi peoples lives, and of course the lives of the British soldiers and their families. And there was of course all the business surrounding Dr David Kelly... His a war criminal, alongside Bush. The hypocrisy in politics is just unbelievable. No morals or consciousness at all.
As a leader and politician he was absolutely brilliant, a bit too good for what was needed. Super slick, super composed, super friendly with those he needed to be friendly with, and when he saw what was coming, he handed it over for a clown to take the fall for the next couple of years before they got unelected. Epic good timing and grip on what he wanted to do, and fk the rest of them
His problem was that he wasnt doing all the right things, infact he was doing the wrong things, and that's OK when you've got support (remember the Support the Troops stuff in Iraq and all the shoulder to shoulder with the US) and if that works you can say confidently that you fked up, time to try a different path.
But spinning his way out of things that were as clear as day kind of showed him up towards the end, it went too slimy. I think he'd taken it as far as he could with what he could get away with under Labour and what they stood for, and I think if he'd still had the motivation and a bit more spend available he'd have called it the Tony Blair party and done whatever he wanted.
k the rest of them His problem was that he wasnt doing all the right things, infact he was doing the wrong things, and that's OK when you've got support (remember the Support the Troops stuff in Iraq and all the shoulder to shoulder with the US) and if that works you can say confidently that you f
ked up, time to try a different path. But spinning his way out of things that were as clear as day kind of showed him up towards the end, it went too slimy. I think he'd taken it as far as he could with what he could get away with under Labour and what they stood for, and I think if he'd still had the motivation and a bit more spend available he'd have called it the Tony Blair party and done whatever he wanted.
YankeePorker said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-33849764
The article talks about his political influence pushing labour to the right alienating the lefties, public disapproval of his active support of Bush and the subsequent screwing up of Iraq, his post PM lifestyle of private jets and lots of wonga, but seems to overlook the biggest issue - he's a lying and will forever be remembered as one!
TB is cool with all he has "achieved" as he has faith!!!!!The article talks about his political influence pushing labour to the right alienating the lefties, public disapproval of his active support of Bush and the subsequent screwing up of Iraq, his post PM lifestyle of private jets and lots of wonga, but seems to overlook the biggest issue - he's a lying
and will forever be remembered as one!Mainly in his infallibility and the amount he can earn sharing his enlightenment and all things Blairian!
One major example of how power corrupts the ability of those involved "to walk a straight and open path"!
audidoody said:
Bob Dylan wrote a song about him in 1962:
"Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul"
Great words. Which song is that?"Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul"
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