Why is Tony Blair so unpopular?
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anonymous said:
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Every leader of this country has done the same. An army is there to die to achieve the political aims given it. There was nothing wrong with getting British servicemen killed based on lies providing there was an upside. Blair's problem with Iraq was that he never delivered an upside. No oil, no territories, nothing. That was his failure. A war has to produce a win.
let it go.
yellowtang said:
Cameron wanted to go to war with Syria and was only really prevented from doing so by Labour.
That was a victory for democracy as far as I'm concerned, and lead to Obummer and Flamby (Hollande) backing down, then allowing Putin to play a great game of chess with the whole chemical weapons thing. But you're right, I was disappointed with Cameron's apparent desire to be part of the Assad butt kicking team, despite the fact that Assad's enemies are also, in part, our enemies too!In an ideal world Blair's gung-ho desire to support Bush and kick the hell out of Saddam would have been voted down by parliament, but I guess they were just as hoodwinked as the general public.
Oh it wasn't a victory for democracy it was a standard HoC squabble allied to the usual uselessness of the Foreign Office. Had Labour been in the power the roles would have been reversed with the Foreign Office still benign useless. It is more or less a given that the Foreign Office has been incorrect on every conflict it has ever provided advice upon for the Executive of the British Goverment. They are and always have been the single most incompetent branch of the govt. They make the MOD look like the wise men of old bringing forth gifts to the UK population.
YankeePorker said:
yellowtang said:
Cameron wanted to go to war with Syria and was only really prevented from doing so by Labour.
That was a victory for democracy as far as I'm concerned, and lead to Obummer and Flamby (Hollande) backing down, then allowing Putin to play a great game of chess with the whole chemical weapons thing. But you're right, I was disappointed with Cameron's apparent desire to be part of the Assad butt kicking team, despite the fact that Assad's enemies are also, in part, our enemies too!In an ideal world Blair's gung-ho desire to support Bush and kick the hell out of Saddam would have been voted down by parliament, but I guess they were just as hoodwinked as the general public.
YankeePorker said:
That was a victory for democracy as far as I'm concerned, and lead to Obummer and Flamby (Hollande) backing down, then allowing Putin to play a great game of chess with the whole chemical weapons thing. But you're right, I was disappointed with Cameron's apparent desire to be part of the Assad butt kicking team, despite the fact that Assad's enemies are also, in part, our enemies too!
In an ideal world Blair's gung-ho desire to support Bush and kick the hell out of Saddam would have been voted down by parliament, but I guess they were just as hoodwinked as the general public.
Democracy is a concept that the likes of Hussain and Assad had little sympathy for...... In an ideal world Blair's gung-ho desire to support Bush and kick the hell out of Saddam would have been voted down by parliament, but I guess they were just as hoodwinked as the general public.
He has done a rather good job of destabilizing the Arab world and tries to convince us he's made it a safer place. Like them or loath them, those countries needed tyrants in charge to keep the warring factions from killing each other. So he removed a tyrant and they all start shooting each other, and us. A tit of the highest order.
Hmmm, where to start? 
Well........ he's a greedy, grasping two-faced b
d who misled parliament, the Brtitsh public and the United Nations.
All to support a grubby, pointless illegal war, just so he could ass lick a bunch of war mongering right-wing zealots, fronted by a thick as fk rich kid - who's eyes are too close together and looks like a chimp- who wanted to steal oil finish the job that daddy never did.
And in the process he sent thousands of service personnel to their deaths, or left them with serious,life-changing injuries. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who lost their lives and had their country devastated and destabilised for generations to come. Then he had he cheek to be employed as a middle-east peace envoy for fks sake! !
He's never apologised once for all of the above and actually seems quite proud of his legacy, and has the fking front to mocks those who dare to challenge him.
And call me a cynic, but I would bet money that the fking scumbag is in some way behind the delay to the Chilcot Report. !
He's without doubt, one of the biggest and most narcissistic, selfishs ever to inhabit the earth, and I wish him and his hideous and equally grasping witch of a wife all the unpleasantness that life has to offer. 
Did I mention he's a! 
Well........ he's a greedy, grasping two-faced b
d who misled parliament, the Brtitsh public and the United Nations. All to support a grubby, pointless illegal war, just so he could ass lick a bunch of war mongering right-wing zealots, fronted by a thick as f
k rich kid - who's eyes are too close together and looks like a chimp- who wanted to And in the process he sent thousands of service personnel to their deaths, or left them with serious,life-changing injuries. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians who lost their lives and had their country devastated and destabilised for generations to come. Then he had he cheek to be employed as a middle-east peace envoy for f
ks sake! !He's never apologised once for all of the above and actually seems quite proud of his legacy, and has the f
king front to mocks those who dare to challenge him.And call me a cynic, but I would bet money that the f
king scumbag is in some way behind the delay to the Chilcot Report. !He's without doubt, one of the biggest and most narcissistic, selfish
s ever to inhabit the earth, and I wish him and his hideous and equally grasping witch of a wife all the unpleasantness that life has to offer. Did I mention he's a
! Though many might say that Anthony was a lying two faced self-serving warmonger. If I'm brutally honest I'm quite surprised that he's lasted so long as he has, in that he hasn't suffered (a) a very convenient heart attack, (b) road accident, (c) fell off a boat and drowned, or (d) been shot in the head by a sniper or hit-man, considering all the things he's done in the past.
Next question being, will he go to heaven or hell.
Final questions being when will the Chilcot enquiry be released, and when will he stand trial at the Hague for war crimes?
Next question being, will he go to heaven or hell.
Final questions being when will the Chilcot enquiry be released, and when will he stand trial at the Hague for war crimes?
Bloody hell guys. Anyone would think you don't like him.
Now I agree with much of what you say,especially given the shameful involvement in Iraq. However, he did do some good things, and some bad things. Here's my list courtesy of a bit of help on the 'good'
Just trying to add a little balance
The Good:
-Turned Labour away from being an unelectable Socialist party.
-Was a charismatic and influential leader that increased Britain's standing and influence in the world (at least before the Iraq war).
-Began reform of the House of Lords (although its arguably worse now that its full of cronies - he got the ball moving though)
-Intervention in Sierra Leone.
-Continued the Northern Ireland peace process.
The Bad:
-The Human rights act (essentially a Lawyers charter a licence to print money helping the blame and sue culture).
-Waiting lists to go on waiting lists (he didn't introduce enough competition into the health service although he made a start)
-Massive increase in University attendance (too many people studying pointless degrees and ending up with no job prospects and thousands in debt).
-Too close to Murdoch
-Government by cabal rather than cabinet
-Spin
-Too Pro-EU (and would happily have adopted the Euro if he knew he'd have gotten away with it)
-Mismanagement of government procurement generally (though some of that has to be laid at the door of the relevant civil service).
The Arguable:
Minimum wage.
Acceptance of the Human rights act. become a feeding trough for the legal profession.
-Intervention in Afghanistan
-Devolution
The Terrible:
Intervention in Iraq.
Bernie Eccleston
Presiding over a framework of REGULATION which ENCOURAGED reckless borrowing/lending in the city which allowed the culture in which the financial crisis was created.
Now I agree with much of what you say,especially given the shameful involvement in Iraq. However, he did do some good things, and some bad things. Here's my list courtesy of a bit of help on the 'good'
Just trying to add a little balance
The Good:
-Turned Labour away from being an unelectable Socialist party.
-Was a charismatic and influential leader that increased Britain's standing and influence in the world (at least before the Iraq war).
-Began reform of the House of Lords (although its arguably worse now that its full of cronies - he got the ball moving though)
-Intervention in Sierra Leone.
-Continued the Northern Ireland peace process.
The Bad:
-The Human rights act (essentially a Lawyers charter a licence to print money helping the blame and sue culture).
-Waiting lists to go on waiting lists (he didn't introduce enough competition into the health service although he made a start)
-Massive increase in University attendance (too many people studying pointless degrees and ending up with no job prospects and thousands in debt).
-Too close to Murdoch
-Government by cabal rather than cabinet
-Spin
-Too Pro-EU (and would happily have adopted the Euro if he knew he'd have gotten away with it)
-Mismanagement of government procurement generally (though some of that has to be laid at the door of the relevant civil service).
The Arguable:
Minimum wage.
Acceptance of the Human rights act. become a feeding trough for the legal profession.
-Intervention in Afghanistan
-Devolution
The Terrible:
Intervention in Iraq.
Bernie Eccleston
Presiding over a framework of REGULATION which ENCOURAGED reckless borrowing/lending in the city which allowed the culture in which the financial crisis was created.
rich888 said:
Though many might say that Anthony was a lying two faced self-serving warmonger. If I'm brutally honest I'm quite surprised that he's lasted so long as he has, in that he hasn't suffered (a) a very convenient heart attack, (b) road accident, (c) fell off a boat and drowned, or (d) been shot in the head by a sniper or hit-man, considering all the things he's done in the past.
Next question being, will he go to heaven or hell.
Hell. But he'll end up running the place with Satan wondering just WTF happened.Next question being, will he go to heaven or hell.
Shinobi said:
Not only did he send us into a war that was based on lies, resulting in so many of our troops being injured or worse he then has the audacity to stand as a peace envoy to the Middle East.
Basically he's a massive prick.
No that's not entirely true, massive pricks are pretty useful with the wife/girlfriend, unlike Tony Blair who many consider to be the equivalent of a wet lettice. Is there any truth in the rumour that Anthony was shagging the wife of Rupert Murdock?Basically he's a massive prick.
Many would say that surely having an accident with Anthony and Cherie in a car or plane or boat would be cheaper in the long run for us taxpayers than paying for all the security and legal costs of dragging them through the courts. Good bye and good riddance to bad news is what many would say.
And before this is forgotten, what about the 2003 Hutton enquiry investigating the very strange circumstances of the death of the very respected British scientist David Kelly who was a leading authority on biological warfare who made an unauthorised discussion off the record with BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan about the British government's dossier on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which led to a major controversy and him being called to appear before the parliamentary foreign affairs select committee investigating the issues Gilligan had reported. Kelly was questioned aggressively about his actions. He was found dead two days later under very suspicious circumstances. Any decent journalists in the UK or abroad should be thoroughly investigating this to uncover what actually happened.
Willy Nilly said:
He has done a rather good job of destabilizing the Arab world and tries to convince us he's made it a safer place. Like them or loath them, those countries needed tyrants in charge to keep the warring factions from killing each other. So he removed a tyrant and they all start shooting each other, and us. A tit of the highest order.
The exact same could be said of Cameron and Libya yet he doesn't cop any flak for that.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff