Thailand explosion
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The Caucasian lad voluntarily handed himself into police because of social media saying that he was a match. He was at the scene, but has not been held or charged at this time.
It seems that the Local media are now looking towards the Uygher Extraditions back to China that Thailand did a month or so ago as the likely cause.
AKA - at this point they dont actually have a scooby!!
It seems that the Local media are now looking towards the Uygher Extraditions back to China that Thailand did a month or so ago as the likely cause.
AKA - at this point they dont actually have a scooby!!
XJSJohn said:
The Caucasian lad voluntarily handed himself into police because of social media saying that he was a match. He was at the scene, but has not been held or charged at this time.
It seems that the Local media are now looking towards the Uygher Extraditions back to China that Thailand did a month or so ago as the likely cause.
AKA - at this point they dont actually have a scooby!!
Australian model and english tutorIt seems that the Local media are now looking towards the Uygher Extraditions back to China that Thailand did a month or so ago as the likely cause.
AKA - at this point they dont actually have a scooby!!
http://www.smh.com.au/world/australian-model-quest...
otolith said:
pork911 said:
says more about you 
Really? I didn't see any indicators of religion in how people dressed or behaved. I didn't see any conspicuous places of worship. I saw lots of seafood restaurants and sleazy bars with nudity, w
es and trannies. There wasn't much else there.Asterix said:
turbobloke said:
From what I can hear, the Thais worked through the night to repair the shrine and concrete has been used to fill in the bomb crater. A sheet of white tarp hangs over the railings. It's open and packed out today.
Good to hear.pork911 said:
oh there's plenty of that but not just that, including mosques - what were you face down in when called to prayer?
Didn't hear that at all. This suggests there used to be a small mosque on the same site until 2009;http://phuketwan.com/tourism/patong-bid-dry-muslim...
That's the opposite end of the bay from where we stayed, more than a mile and a half as the crow flies and some way inland. We were in the hotel on the headland and mostly heard the sea.
Interesting comments about change;
"After decades in the shadows, the Muslim community on Phuket is finally coming to notice, in a large way."
"Tourism leaders, having recognised the potential, now strongly support the development of the Muslim aspects of the island character."
Colonial said:
That guy is just a self-promoting douchebag, now being savaged in social media and Thai forums.The other guy was a bit more suspicious, American with scars on his arms - think now released but not allowed to leave the country.
thehawk said:
Colonial said:
That guy is just a self-promoting douchebag, now being savaged in social media and Thai forums.And am I reading it right, that halfway down that article he says "I'm not a terrorist but I'm a ting tong actor."
Cobnapint said:
pork911 said:
Forensics must have been quick, or maybe not
They must have a team working flat out in the sewers, because all they were worried about was getting the shrine open again asap, so they pressure washed all the evidence straight down the drains! Absolute joke.
thehawk said:
That guy is just a self-promoting douchebag, now being savaged in social media and Thai forums.
The other guy was a bit more suspicious, American with scars on his arms - think now released but not allowed to leave the country.
Fair enough. The other guy was a bit more suspicious, American with scars on his arms - think now released but not allowed to leave the country.
Australian media only reports the Australian aspect which is pretty pathetic.
Still no clear idea whodunit, Singapore Press have a good clear article on the 6 possible scenario's
http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/bangkok-blast-di...
http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/bangkok-blast-di...
AsiaOne said:
The Uighur
Thailand repatriated more than a hundred of the Uighur people who had fled to Thailand from China and were looking to make their way to Turkey.
This move caused anger and can be considered a motive to take revenge. CCTV footage shows a man, possibly Uighur looking, entering the shrine, leaving behind a backpack and walking out of the area shortly before the explosion. The Erawan Shrine is popular among Chinese tourists.
Police have pointed out that this type of bomb has not been previously used in Thailand, and though some entertain the Uighur theory, others say this Chinese minority does not have the ability or a level of hatred high enough to unleash an attack as deadly as this.
Thai-Malay separatists
BBC's defence and diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus was quoted as saying that this theory is possible, noting that the separatists have been "fighting Thai rule for more than a decade".
Police say this type of bomb has never been used in the deep South, and Marcus himself says that the separatists have never targeted the capital.
Also, he said, attacks and causalities in the deep South have been dropping. Also Army chief General Udomdej Sitabutr said on television that this blast did not match the incidents in the South.
Islamic State or al-Qaeda linked jihadist groups
Reuters quoted Angel Rabasa, an expert on Islamist militancy at the RAND Corporation, as saying that these groups are expanding their reach in Southeast Asia.
Now Rabasa himself is casting doubts on this theory as such groups usually take responsibility for their attacks.
The red shirts
Immediately after the attack, government spokesperson Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd indicated that those who had lost political power might have been behind the attack.
Subscribers to this theory claim that supporters of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, wanting to undermine General Prayut Chan-o-cha's government and to sink the economy, are desperate enough to opt for such extreme measures.
Many social-media users have cast doubt on this theory, saying this attack is far too cruel and indiscriminate to be carried out by Thais.
Others say the government stands to gain more by using this incident as an excuse to stay in power longer - they could claim that the country is not ready for elections and introduce more draconian measures to control the population.
The military junta
Many pro-Thaksin red shirts believe the bombing was engineered by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to prolong its stay by convincing people that Thailand is not ready for elections and by placing the blame on the red shirts and Thaksin.
Those subscribing to this theory find the quick clearing out of the bombing site suspicious and possibly a move to remove evidence.
However, this idea has been rejected by some, who say the NCPO and the government stands to lose more from the blast, as it would have a very severe impact on Thai tourism.
They also find it difficult to comprehend that any government can commit such cruelty.
Those unhappy with the latest military reshuffle
There has been some speculation that those who stand to lose from the latest military reshuffle decided to express their displeasure in a very deadly manner.
This theory has been rejected by some, who say there is no history of such extreme action being taken in response to a military reshuffle.
nothing is ever clear cut or simple in Thailand Thailand repatriated more than a hundred of the Uighur people who had fled to Thailand from China and were looking to make their way to Turkey.
This move caused anger and can be considered a motive to take revenge. CCTV footage shows a man, possibly Uighur looking, entering the shrine, leaving behind a backpack and walking out of the area shortly before the explosion. The Erawan Shrine is popular among Chinese tourists.
Police have pointed out that this type of bomb has not been previously used in Thailand, and though some entertain the Uighur theory, others say this Chinese minority does not have the ability or a level of hatred high enough to unleash an attack as deadly as this.
Thai-Malay separatists
BBC's defence and diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus was quoted as saying that this theory is possible, noting that the separatists have been "fighting Thai rule for more than a decade".
Police say this type of bomb has never been used in the deep South, and Marcus himself says that the separatists have never targeted the capital.
Also, he said, attacks and causalities in the deep South have been dropping. Also Army chief General Udomdej Sitabutr said on television that this blast did not match the incidents in the South.
Islamic State or al-Qaeda linked jihadist groups
Reuters quoted Angel Rabasa, an expert on Islamist militancy at the RAND Corporation, as saying that these groups are expanding their reach in Southeast Asia.
Now Rabasa himself is casting doubts on this theory as such groups usually take responsibility for their attacks.
The red shirts
Immediately after the attack, government spokesperson Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd indicated that those who had lost political power might have been behind the attack.
Subscribers to this theory claim that supporters of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, wanting to undermine General Prayut Chan-o-cha's government and to sink the economy, are desperate enough to opt for such extreme measures.
Many social-media users have cast doubt on this theory, saying this attack is far too cruel and indiscriminate to be carried out by Thais.
Others say the government stands to gain more by using this incident as an excuse to stay in power longer - they could claim that the country is not ready for elections and introduce more draconian measures to control the population.
The military junta
Many pro-Thaksin red shirts believe the bombing was engineered by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to prolong its stay by convincing people that Thailand is not ready for elections and by placing the blame on the red shirts and Thaksin.
Those subscribing to this theory find the quick clearing out of the bombing site suspicious and possibly a move to remove evidence.
However, this idea has been rejected by some, who say the NCPO and the government stands to lose more from the blast, as it would have a very severe impact on Thai tourism.
They also find it difficult to comprehend that any government can commit such cruelty.
Those unhappy with the latest military reshuffle
There has been some speculation that those who stand to lose from the latest military reshuffle decided to express their displeasure in a very deadly manner.
This theory has been rejected by some, who say there is no history of such extreme action being taken in response to a military reshuffle.
The Uighar theory is not one I'd believe, simply because the deportations happened in July and I doubt they or their supporters would have the means to conduct this attack in the timeframe.
The first bomb is somewhat sophisticated based on what I've seen. It seems to be well built an triggered by a cellphone - so expertise in explosives and electronics required. Military experience?
Muslims being behind this is also not likely - not a suicide attack and nobody is claiming any credit.
I suspect it's linked to political aspects in Thailand or a lone person/group. They mention it was too cruel for Thais to be involved - I disagree, I would even maybe suspect that it could have been planted by a political faction and was far more deadly than expected - there have been numerous bombings in the past and they have just had very limited injuries.
In also a bit surprised how quiet it is now. Where is the rest of the CCTV, surely there would be more of the man in the yellow shirt, how did he arrive there, taxi drivers would have remembered, BTS would have CCTV, his condo/hotel would have CCTV of him leaving, the taxi that aided him leaving the area would have remembered etc.
The first bomb is somewhat sophisticated based on what I've seen. It seems to be well built an triggered by a cellphone - so expertise in explosives and electronics required. Military experience?
Muslims being behind this is also not likely - not a suicide attack and nobody is claiming any credit.
I suspect it's linked to political aspects in Thailand or a lone person/group. They mention it was too cruel for Thais to be involved - I disagree, I would even maybe suspect that it could have been planted by a political faction and was far more deadly than expected - there have been numerous bombings in the past and they have just had very limited injuries.
In also a bit surprised how quiet it is now. Where is the rest of the CCTV, surely there would be more of the man in the yellow shirt, how did he arrive there, taxi drivers would have remembered, BTS would have CCTV, his condo/hotel would have CCTV of him leaving, the taxi that aided him leaving the area would have remembered etc.
thehawk said:
Muslims being behind this is also not likely - not a suicide attack and nobody is claiming any credit.
The Domestic Muslim bomber in Thailand is not inclined to suicide tactics, they tend to remote detonate motorcycle bombs. Although i do agree that the confusing part is that no one wants to take credit for this yet ...
XJSJohn said:
Still no clear idea whodunit, Singapore Press have a good clear article on the 6 possible scenario's
http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/bangkok-blast-di...
I mentioned earlier in the thread that the wearing of a yellow T-shirt could be classic misdirection, and that would point to one of the above in particular, but you're right it's a complex macropolitical scene.http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/bangkok-blast-di...
AsiaOne said:
The Uighur
Thailand repatriated more than a hundred of the Uighur people who had fled to Thailand from China and were looking to make their way to Turkey.
This move caused anger and can be considered a motive to take revenge. CCTV footage shows a man, possibly Uighur looking, entering the shrine, leaving behind a backpack and walking out of the area shortly before the explosion. The Erawan Shrine is popular among Chinese tourists.
Police have pointed out that this type of bomb has not been previously used in Thailand, and though some entertain the Uighur theory, others say this Chinese minority does not have the ability or a level of hatred high enough to unleash an attack as deadly as this.
Thai-Malay separatists
BBC's defence and diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus was quoted as saying that this theory is possible, noting that the separatists have been "fighting Thai rule for more than a decade".
Police say this type of bomb has never been used in the deep South, and Marcus himself says that the separatists have never targeted the capital.
Also, he said, attacks and causalities in the deep South have been dropping. Also Army chief General Udomdej Sitabutr said on television that this blast did not match the incidents in the South.
Islamic State or al-Qaeda linked jihadist groups
Reuters quoted Angel Rabasa, an expert on Islamist militancy at the RAND Corporation, as saying that these groups are expanding their reach in Southeast Asia.
Now Rabasa himself is casting doubts on this theory as such groups usually take responsibility for their attacks.
The red shirts
Immediately after the attack, government spokesperson Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd indicated that those who had lost political power might have been behind the attack.
Subscribers to this theory claim that supporters of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, wanting to undermine General Prayut Chan-o-cha's government and to sink the economy, are desperate enough to opt for such extreme measures.
Many social-media users have cast doubt on this theory, saying this attack is far too cruel and indiscriminate to be carried out by Thais.
Others say the government stands to gain more by using this incident as an excuse to stay in power longer - they could claim that the country is not ready for elections and introduce more draconian measures to control the population.
The military junta
Many pro-Thaksin red shirts believe the bombing was engineered by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to prolong its stay by convincing people that Thailand is not ready for elections and by placing the blame on the red shirts and Thaksin.
Those subscribing to this theory find the quick clearing out of the bombing site suspicious and possibly a move to remove evidence.
However, this idea has been rejected by some, who say the NCPO and the government stands to lose more from the blast, as it would have a very severe impact on Thai tourism.
They also find it difficult to comprehend that any government can commit such cruelty.
Those unhappy with the latest military reshuffle
There has been some speculation that those who stand to lose from the latest military reshuffle decided to express their displeasure in a very deadly manner.
This theory has been rejected by some, who say there is no history of such extreme action being taken in response to a military reshuffle.
nothing is ever clear cut or simple in Thailand Thailand repatriated more than a hundred of the Uighur people who had fled to Thailand from China and were looking to make their way to Turkey.
This move caused anger and can be considered a motive to take revenge. CCTV footage shows a man, possibly Uighur looking, entering the shrine, leaving behind a backpack and walking out of the area shortly before the explosion. The Erawan Shrine is popular among Chinese tourists.
Police have pointed out that this type of bomb has not been previously used in Thailand, and though some entertain the Uighur theory, others say this Chinese minority does not have the ability or a level of hatred high enough to unleash an attack as deadly as this.
Thai-Malay separatists
BBC's defence and diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus was quoted as saying that this theory is possible, noting that the separatists have been "fighting Thai rule for more than a decade".
Police say this type of bomb has never been used in the deep South, and Marcus himself says that the separatists have never targeted the capital.
Also, he said, attacks and causalities in the deep South have been dropping. Also Army chief General Udomdej Sitabutr said on television that this blast did not match the incidents in the South.
Islamic State or al-Qaeda linked jihadist groups
Reuters quoted Angel Rabasa, an expert on Islamist militancy at the RAND Corporation, as saying that these groups are expanding their reach in Southeast Asia.
Now Rabasa himself is casting doubts on this theory as such groups usually take responsibility for their attacks.
The red shirts
Immediately after the attack, government spokesperson Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd indicated that those who had lost political power might have been behind the attack.
Subscribers to this theory claim that supporters of former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, wanting to undermine General Prayut Chan-o-cha's government and to sink the economy, are desperate enough to opt for such extreme measures.
Many social-media users have cast doubt on this theory, saying this attack is far too cruel and indiscriminate to be carried out by Thais.
Others say the government stands to gain more by using this incident as an excuse to stay in power longer - they could claim that the country is not ready for elections and introduce more draconian measures to control the population.
The military junta
Many pro-Thaksin red shirts believe the bombing was engineered by the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) to prolong its stay by convincing people that Thailand is not ready for elections and by placing the blame on the red shirts and Thaksin.
Those subscribing to this theory find the quick clearing out of the bombing site suspicious and possibly a move to remove evidence.
However, this idea has been rejected by some, who say the NCPO and the government stands to lose more from the blast, as it would have a very severe impact on Thai tourism.
They also find it difficult to comprehend that any government can commit such cruelty.
Those unhappy with the latest military reshuffle
There has been some speculation that those who stand to lose from the latest military reshuffle decided to express their displeasure in a very deadly manner.
This theory has been rejected by some, who say there is no history of such extreme action being taken in response to a military reshuffle.
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