Are men afraid of transgender women?

[Some Gump]

Halb said:

No? How so?

Because it's fundamentally not a fadge?
I know some of you PC heroes are on a mission against common sense / bigotry (whichever you see it), but deciding that one would prefer to be a woman doesn't make one a woman - certainly not biologically. I presume that you've enjoyed the company of a lass at some point, and therefore you;re just being obtuse to try to score a point.

[Halb]

Some Gump said:

Halb said:

No? How so?

Because it's fundamentally not a fadge?
I know some of you PC heroes are on a mission against common sense / bigotry (whichever you see it), but deciding that one would prefer to be a woman doesn't make one a woman - certainly not biologically. I presume that you've enjoyed the company of a lass at some point, and therefore you;re just being obtuse to try to score a point.

"wouldn't work in the same way", that was what was proposed. From the link I supplied, the recreation seems to work in exactly the same way. If you feel it doesn't, please explain why. Thanks for thinking of me as a hero.
For your information, I try not to 'score' points on here. I try to interact with people as I do in person, and when I see something that doesn't make sense, or a weird viewpoint, I try to understand why that person thinks the way they do, and if they can explain it. HTH.

[mph1977]

Some Gump said:

Because it's fundamentally not a fadge?
I know some of you PC heroes are on a mission against common sense / bigotry (whichever you see it), but deciding that one would prefer to be a woman doesn't make one a woman - certainly not biologically. I presume that you've enjoyed the company of a lass at some point, and therefore you;re just being obtuse to try to score a point.

have you seen the presults of SRS ?

enjoyed it ?

[Some Gump]

I have no direct experience with shemales. However, when you see an accident victim and they've taken skin from one area, and put it in another area, it doesn't behave the same. God knows they try. I can't imagine that somehow this changes just because it's a mangina. After all, quite a bit of R+D goes into skin grafts for e.g burns victims; no way on earth manginoplasty isn't a more "niche" market and therefore less well funded.

[popeyewhite]

XCP said:

popeyewhite said:

Me?

What happened to Bruce Jenner and his sporting history? Does that no longer exist??

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

[Halb]

Some Gump said:

no way on earth manginoplasty isn't a more "niche" market and therefore less well funded.

I had to go look. An interesting wiki search. It's called Vaginoplasty, been going on since at least 1931 it seems. Seems it's a routine surgical procedure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginoplasty#Sex_rea...

[hedgefinder]

popeyewhite said:

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

from the little I have read of this thread it seems he died...some woman called Caitlyn cut his knob off Bobbit style or something, poor bugger probably died of blood loss.

[popeyewhite]

hedgefinder said:

popeyewhite said:

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

from the little I have read of this thread it seems he died...some woman called Caitlyn cut his knob off Bobbit style or something, poor bugger probably died of blood loss.

Looks like she stole his surname as well, WTF?

[davepoth]

Some Gump said:

I have no direct experience with shemales. However, when you see an accident victim and they've taken skin from one area, and put it in another area, it doesn't behave the same. God knows they try. I can't imagine that somehow this changes just because it's a mangina. After all, quite a bit of R+D goes into skin grafts for e.g burns victims; no way on earth manginoplasty isn't a more "niche" market and therefore less well funded.

Here we are, entwined in the greatest repository of knowledge that humanity has ever known - a resource that makes the Great Library of Alexandria look like a ten year old issue of Reader's Digest with half of the pages missing.

And yet when presented with an issue that you admit to having no knowledge of, you fill in the blanks with guesswork rather than taking even a cursory glance at the cornucopia of information available at the click of a mouse. Poor show.

[Moonhawk]

Some Gump said:

Halb said:

No? How so?

Because it's fundamentally not a fadge?
I know some of you PC heroes are on a mission against common sense / bigotry (whichever you see it), but deciding that one would prefer to be a woman doesn't make one a woman - certainly not biologically. I presume that you've enjoyed the company of a lass at some point, and therefore you;re just being obtuse to try to score a point.

What of the recent case (and prosecution) of the women who pretended to be a man to have sex with another woman.

In the case highlighted above - the woman who was the 'receiver', apparently believed that the person who was penetrating her was a man. When she found out she had been duped and the person penetrating her was in fact a woman - she sought prosecution, and was successful.

The question then arises - does the 'object' you use to have sex with another person have more legitimacy just because it is made out of flesh as opposed to rubber or silicone.

Are the 'genitals' of a post op transsexual any more 'real' than a strapon or a fleshlight. One could argue that they are all human constructs and that it would be no more correct to have sex with somebody using one or the other without informing that person of said fact before the act is carried out.

[Esseesse]

mph1977 said:

Esseesse said:

Looket said:

mph1977 said:

'drag' has nothing to do with trans, any more than pantomime dames do.

the way you express your ignorance demonstrates the structural transphobia endemic in the UK...

No, it doesn't you fking clown.

He was asking a question, albeit slightly tongue in cheek. Boo-hoo.

Is Bruce Jenner not 'trans' then?

the relevance of that comment ?

Caitlyn Jenner is not a Drag act

the fact you chose to dead name her says plenty ...

I thought he still had a dick?

[irocfan]

popeyewhite said:

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

IIRC he was the gold medal winning decathlete in the '76 Olympics

[Some Gump]

davepoth said:

Here we are, entwined in the greatest repository of knowledge that humanity has ever known - a resource that makes the Great Library of Alexandria look like a ten year old issue of Reader's Digest with half of the pages missing.

And yet when presented with an issue that you admit to having no knowledge of, you fill in the blanks with guesswork rather than taking even a cursory glance at the cornucopia of information available at the click of a mouse. Poor show.

The cornucopia of conflicting information whereby some surgeons / observers claim that a penile inversion will eventually adopt muccosal properties indistinguisable from a proper female vagina, and others graft a section of colon to provide a faux-vagina due to the muccosal properties of colon tissue?

Again, I've not done a blind A / B tongue sample of a fanny and the inside of an arse, but I'm happy to presume that 2 organs that serve 2 completely different functions will be noticeably different.

This of course spins back to my original comment. We can graft skin. We're good at that. However, we can't (yet) tell cells to decide to be a different cell (not in any reliable way). When we can, the pioneering therapies will be for trauma, not gender reassignment. The idea that somehow skin behaves differently in a politically charged gender case when compared to a non-politically charged trauma case is (IMO) complete hokum.

[Looket]

Esseesse said:

Looket said:

mph1977 said:

'drag' has nothing to do with trans, any more than pantomime dames do.

the way you express your ignorance demonstrates the structural transphobia endemic in the UK...

No, it doesn't you fking clown.

He was asking a question, albeit slightly tongue in cheek. Boo-hoo.

Is Bruce Jenner not 'trans' then?

I've no idea, he can be whatever he pleases. I was replying to the second part of mph's post.

[BrabusMog]

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

[RobGT81]

vkcs22 said:

I like real women (please don't start with the "how I define "real women" and all the science stuff etc).

mph1977 said:

an inherently transphobic post which seems ot confuse gender idenity, physical arrangement and sexuality ...

you are right trans people don't care unless you mis-gender them or insist on referring to pre transition names etc ...( anyway what makes you think they'd fancy you anyway ? )

Sure that makes them vkcs22-phobic?

To be fair, these trans men/women sound like real women. They can't make their bloody mind up. "I can't decide what to wear out tonight, shall I go as a bloke or a bird"

Edited by RobGT81 on Friday 15th January 08:12

[amusingduck]

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

[irocfan]

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

watch it you'll have some SJW along shortly to tell you that you're criminally phobic (of something or another) and that science has 'proved' that this is not at all dangerous and is in fact a good idea (I guess scientists are always right.....)

[BrabusMog]

amusingduck said:

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

I didn't ask how it works, I said it's dangerous to give kids the power to say they want to delay their puberty. The problem is that, at 10-13, most kids are far too immature to know their exact feelings. They may "Think" that they are in the wrong body, but with access to too much uninformed nonesense online, the kids for whom this is just a genuine phase could potentially walk down a path they really shouldn't be. I'm not saying there aren't people who are genuinely in the wrong body, but it is wrong to be talking to kids about this until they are mentally able to deal with such issues.

[AJS-]

amusingduck said:

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

This is my problem with it. The idea that you can give a kid drugs to delay puberty for a while and they will just resume development 'as normal' if he decides he's happy being a man after all is just bizarre to me.