Are men afraid of transgender women?

[JMGS4]

OP asked Are men afraid of transgender women?
NO! just sick of lefty whinging peeps calling them "Heroes"!!!
They've got their problems, often mental, but certainly not heroes..... see that Jenner person.....

[Europa1]

BrabusMog said:

amusingduck said:

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

I didn't ask how it works, I said it's dangerous to give kids the power to say they want to delay their puberty. The problem is that, at 10-13, most kids are far too immature to know their exact feelings. They may "Think" that they are in the wrong body, but with access to too much uninformed nonesense online, the kids for whom this is just a genuine phase could potentially walk down a path they really shouldn't be. I'm not saying there aren't people who are genuinely in the wrong body, but it is wrong to be talking to kids about this until they are mentally able to deal with such issues.

As I understand, the idea behind delaying puberty is to allow the kids to work out exactly what they do want, not any start of transitioning, so that if they eventually decide they wat to transition, their body has not developed too far down one path. If they decidthey do not want to transition, then the treatment stops and their body continues to develop in its original gender.

[BrabusMog]

Europa1 said:

BrabusMog said:

amusingduck said:

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

I didn't ask how it works, I said it's dangerous to give kids the power to say they want to delay their puberty. The problem is that, at 10-13, most kids are far too immature to know their exact feelings. They may "Think" that they are in the wrong body, but with access to too much uninformed nonesense online, the kids for whom this is just a genuine phase could potentially walk down a path they really shouldn't be. I'm not saying there aren't people who are genuinely in the wrong body, but it is wrong to be talking to kids about this until they are mentally able to deal with such issues.

As I understand, the idea behind delaying puberty is to allow the kids to work out exactly what they do want, not any start of transitioning, so that if they eventually decide they wat to transition, their body has not developed too far down one path. If they decidthey do not want to transition, then the treatment stops and their body continues to develop in its original gender.

I understand that, but even a fully developed 16 year old is too young to make this kind of life altering decision, so I see no point in giving a child the power to delay their puberty.

[mph1977]

Some Gump said:

I have no direct experience with shemales. However, when you see an accident victim and they've taken skin from one area, and put it in another area, it doesn't behave the same. God knows they try. I can't imagine that somehow this changes just because it's a mangina. After all, quite a bit of R+D goes into skin grafts for e.g burns victims; no way on earth manginoplasty isn't a more "niche" market and therefore less well funded.

Ignorance topped with ignorance and slurs ; yet you still feel able to pass an expert opinion on it ...

and this ladies and gentlemen is why PH is getting blattered ...

[mph1977]

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

which is why the decision to treat is made after extensive counselling and multiple specialist medicla opinions ...

Given the alternative is self harm and a vastly increased risk of suicide ...

Once again ignorance topped with ignorance, thankfully no slurs

I think brabusmog also needs to a bit of research in the law as it covers consent for medical treatment in young people if he feels the need to profess yet another PH professional opinion.

[mph1977]

amusingduck said:

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

How does it work? If it just delays puberty, and once you stop taking the drugs puberty resumes and you develop as normal, then what is the problem?

that is exactly the process

blockers from tanner stage 2 to prevent the development of secondary sexual characteristics , then at 16 the decision to commence hormones can be made without having to undo several years of the 'wrong' puberty ...

[irocfan]

these would be similar medical professionals who thought that electroshock treatment or lobotomising was 'the right thing to do' half a century ago, or those who thought that leeches or cupping or blood-letting or, or , or even further back?

[mph1977]

BrabusMog said:

I understand that, but even a fully developed 16 year old is too young to make this kind of life altering decision, so I see no point in giving a child the power to delay their puberty.

Fortunately the collective opinion of health professionals, social care professionals and education professions says otherwise

16 year olds are allowed to operate dangerous machinery asnd drive / ride various classes of motor vehicle
16 year olds are allowed ot make life changing educational / career decisions ( including joining the forces)

those under 16 are allowed to take control of their reproductive health including hormonal therapies

care to justify why your opinion is more 'correct' than the collective weight of health, social care and education professionals backed by the law ...

[BrabusMog]

mph1977 said:

BrabusMog said:

I understand that, but even a fully developed 16 year old is too young to make this kind of life altering decision, so I see no point in giving a child the power to delay their puberty.

Fortunately the collective opinion of health professionals, social care professionals and education professions says otherwise

16 year olds are allowed to operate dangerous machinery asnd drive / ride various classes of motor vehicle
16 year olds are allowed ot make life changing educational / career decisions ( including joining the forces)

those under 16 are allowed to take control of their reproductive health including hormonal therapies

care to justify why your opinion is more 'correct' than the collective weight of health, social care and education professionals backed by the law ...

Considering these health experts still argue over whether a glass of wine a day is a good/bad thing, I'd say there are different opinions and there is no conclusive answer. As for social and education professionals? They get paid to make mistakes in the most part, so I'll argue that is justification for me having my opinion. The problem with these issues is that people make them so emotive. If somebody said they identified as a tree, would that be ridiculous? Or should we offer them a pot to plant themselves in?

[IainT]

irocfan said:

these would be similar medical professionals who thought that electroshock treatment or lobotomising was 'the right thing to do' half a century ago, or those who thought that leeches or cupping or blood-letting or, or , or even further back?

So you won't be going to hospital if you ever develop serious health issues?

[mph1977]

IainT said:

irocfan said:

these would be similar medical professionals who thought that electroshock treatment or lobotomising was 'the right thing to do' half a century ago, or those who thought that leeches or cupping or blood-letting or, or , or even further back?

So you won't be going to hospital if you ever develop serious health issues?

of course he will , becasue that;s 'different' and it doesn;t change is heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

[AJS-]

mph1977 said:

of course he will , becasue that;s 'different' and it doesn;t change is heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

Yes because they're the only people who could conceivably have reservations about using hormones to delay puberty in children in case they decide they want a sex change, in the face of "the experts. "

[Roy Lime]

mph1977 said:

heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

In which world is this not a bigoted comment from the Pistonheads Champion of the Oppressed?

[mph1977]

Roy Lime said:

mph1977 said:

heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

In which world is this not a bigoted comment from the Pistonheads Champion of the Oppressed?

so how else would you describe a heteronormative, cisgendered, stiff upper lip and somewhat socially conservative view of what is normal ?

[AJS-]

You forgot the bowler hat.

[Roy Lime]

mph1977 said:

so how else would you describe a heteronormative, cisgendered, stiff upper lip and somewhat socially conservative view of what is normal ?

Probably without the wholly unnecessary insulting language and tone. But that's very much your MO, isn't it?

[VolvoT5]

BrabusMog said:

I'm still utterly shocked that kids are allowed drugs to delay puberty. I watched BBC Brekfast news for the first time in about 9 months yesterday and lasted 45seconds into the trans section and had to switch it off. Fair enough if people have issues, but there is no way a kid has the emotional capacity to make such a Life changing decision. It's fking dangerous and scary.

My understanding is that delaying puberty is one of the relatively safe and completely reversible things they can do........ helps distinguish between those that are genuinely trans and those 'just' going through a phase.

The issue is once puberty has taken place it is a lot more difficult to reverse the effects. Better to delay it for a short time surely? OK kids get a say in this but the ultimate decision is going to come down to the doctors and psychologists involved in their care.

Of course nothing is without risk completely but all these things are weighed up. I mean if the choice to delay puberty could literally be a life saver if the changes involved in puberty are extremely distressing and trigger suicidal thoughts and so on. (MH issues and suicide rates are very high in this group for obvious reasons).

Edited by VolvoT5 on Friday 15th January 11:08

[Europa1]

wolf1 said:

You are who you are or who you wish to be. Enjoy your life and allow others to enjoy theirs.

One of the more sensible contributions.

[Some Gump]

Roy Lime said:

Probably without the wholly unnecessary insulting language and tone. But that's very much your MO, isn't it?

To be a true SJW, you have to use long, made up words that sound vaguely scientific at all times. This way, when you vaguely cite "medical experts", you can do so without considering that there isn't consensus. If challenged at all, you can simply claim anyone with the opposite opinion only holds that position because they are an ignorant bigot.

[mph1977]

Some Gump said:

Roy Lime said:

Probably without the wholly unnecessary insulting language and tone. But that's very much your MO, isn't it?

To be a true SJW, you have to use long, made up words that sound vaguely scientific at all times. This way, when you vaguely cite "medical experts", you can do so without considering that there isn't consensus. If challenged at all, you can simply claim anyone with the opposite opinion only holds that position because they are an ignorant bigot.

Isn't a consensus on the medical management of gender dysphoria and transgender health issues ? try again ...

http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_...