Are men afraid of transgender women?

[AJS-]

I would probably be a lot more amenable to expert opinion if Mr meat n 2 veg with his brolly and conservative outlook hadn't so often been right where the experts, with their partial knowledge and complete certainty had been wrong.

[mph1977]

AJS- said:

I would probably be a lot more amenable to expert opinion if Mr meat n 2 veg with his brolly and conservative outlook hadn't so often been right where the experts, with their partial knowledge and complete certainty had been wrong.

In relation to what aspects of transgender issues, LGBTQ issues or reproductive health exactly ?

[dudleybloke]

Are Aerosmith transphobic with their "dude looks like a Lady" ditty?

[popeyewhite]

irocfan said:

popeyewhite said:

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

IIRC he was the gold medal winning decathlete in the '76 Olympics

Ah thanks. I've just looked into the most authoritative source I could find on men dressing as women (Wikipedia), and it discloses that this Jenner bloke is still attracted to women and still has his penis. My question is why is this called 'crossdressing and transgenderism' and not 'some guy in drag'? The article does divulge that Bruce has taken undergone HRT 'on and off', presumably he has to take vast amounts of the stuff given how much testosterone must be in his system. I mean he's a former Olympic champion, father to six kids, he must have hair on the soles of his feet.

[marcosgt]

popeyewhite said:

the most authoritative source I could find...(Wikipedia)

Ah, I get it now!!!!

M.

[technodup]

mph1977 said:

of course he will , becasue that;s 'different' and it doesn;t change is heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

You don't need the 'normal', it's simply normal. It's quite well defined, and whatever spin you wish to put on it the subject of the thread does not meet the definition.

Otherwise we wouldn't be having the conversation in the first place.

[mph1977]

technodup said:

mph1977 said:

of course he will , becasue that;s 'different' and it doesn;t change is heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

You don't need the 'normal', it's simply normal. It's quite well defined, and whatever spin you wish to put on it the subject of the thread does not meet the definition.

Otherwise we wouldn't be having the conversation in the first place.

so structural discrimination doesn;t exist then ? is that what you are saying ?

what do you propose ' the normal majority' does with people who don;t fit this 'normal' you speak of ?

[Europa1]

popeyewhite said:

irocfan said:

popeyewhite said:

I don't bloody well know who this Jenner bloke is!

IIRC he was the gold medal winning decathlete in the '76 Olympics

Ah thanks. I've just looked into the most authoritative source I could find on men dressing as women (Wikipedia), and it discloses that this Jenner bloke is still attracted to women and still has his penis. My question is why is this called 'crossdressing and transgenderism' and not 'some guy in drag'? The article does divulge that Bruce has taken undergone HRT 'on and off', presumably he has to take vast amounts of the stuff given how much testosterone must be in his system. I mean he's a former Olympic champion, father to six kids, he must have hair on the soles of his feet.

I suspect the reason for using terms such as transgenderism as opposed to "some guy in drag" is to distinguish people who genuinely feel some inner need to present as female or feel they are trapped in the wrong body from those who get "dragged up" as a form of entertainment.

[irocfan]

dudleybloke said:

Are Aerosmith transphobic with their "dude looks like a Lady" ditty?

nah - the Scorpions could be though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmL-KqR1J6E

[mph1977]

Europa1 said:

I suspect the reason for using terms such as transgenderism as opposed to "some guy in drag" is to distinguish people who genuinely feel some inner need to present as female or feel they are trapped in the wrong body from those who get "dragged up" as a form of entertainment.

Drag is a performance , there are 'female drag queens' as well as the raditional male dressed as female drag queen and the female male impersonator or 'drag king'

you also get 'fetistic transvestities' who are people who dress solely for arousal

you get none trans cross dressers whose motivations are varable but not primarily sexual arousal ( this is almost universally MtF as FtM none sexual cross dressing is accepted as 'normal' in the west)

then you get various forms of none -binary / gender fluid / bi-gender gender identities as well as 'full time' transpeople

[Ste1987]

Halb said:

Ste1987 said:

Obviously most straight guys wouldn't dream of banging a "chick with a dick," but we're talking about post-op transexuals. They may look female down there, but it wouldn't work in the same way during intercourse

No? How so?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_sur...

Apologies that I might have sounded ignorant. I appreciate that a trans-woman can still experience sexual pleasure "down there," but what I'm referring to is the fact they cannot get moist, surely? (Sorry for vulgarity).

I feel PH'ers have missed the point of my OP; that the article implies that it's wrong for a straight, cis-male to be uncomfortable with the idea of having sex with a trans-female.

[Halb]

Ste1987 said:

Apologies that I might have sounded ignorant. I appreciate that a trans-woman can still experience sexual pleasure "down there," but what I'm referring to is the fact they cannot get moist, surely? (Sorry for vulgarity).

I feel PH'ers have missed the point of my OP; that the article implies that it's wrong for a straight, cis-male to be uncomfortable with the idea of having sex with a trans-female.

Thanks for explaining. I have skim read the article. I'm pretty squeamish. So I don't know.

[Ste1987]

Halb said:

Ste1987 said:

Apologies that I might have sounded ignorant. I appreciate that a trans-woman can still experience sexual pleasure "down there," but what I'm referring to is the fact they cannot get moist, surely? (Sorry for vulgarity).

I feel PH'ers have missed the point of my OP; that the article implies that it's wrong for a straight, cis-male to be uncomfortable with the idea of having sex with a trans-female.

Thanks for explaining. I have skim read the article. I'm pretty squeamish. So I don't know.

It doesn't really say anything about the actual procedure, but just the psychological aspects of the issue; that trans-people feel alienated because no cis person wants to have sex with them, and apparently that should be frowned upon

[mph1977]

Ste1987 said:

Halb said:

Ste1987 said:

Obviously most straight guys wouldn't dream of banging a "chick with a dick," but we're talking about post-op transexuals. They may look female down there, but it wouldn't work in the same way during intercourse

No? How so?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_reassignment_sur...

Apologies that I might have sounded ignorant. I appreciate that a trans-woman can still experience sexual pleasure "down there," but what I'm referring to is the fact they cannot get moist, surely? (Sorry for vulgarity).

I feel PH'ers have missed the point of my OP; that the article implies that it's wrong for a straight, cis-male to be uncomfortable with the idea of having sex with a trans-female.

given that the neo vagina is formed at least in point from mucousal tissue from shaft of the penis ...

are you uncomfortable with hving sex with gg who has a 'designer vagina' or has had a hysterecotmoy or was born without a womb ?

[popeyewhite]

marcosgt said:

popeyewhite said:

the most authoritative source I could find...(Wikipedia)

Ah, I get it now!!!!

M.

[popeyewhite]

mph1977 said:

are you uncomfortable with hving sex with gg who has a 'designer vagina' or has had a hysterecotmoy or was born without a womb ?

I'll take this one if I may?

My answer is this: I'm uncomfortable having sex with another man. So it doesn't really matter what's been done in the chopshop. And another man is what it is. Big bones, big legs, large lungs and strong, manly hands. In Bruce Jenner's case - big shoulders.

[WinstonWolf]

mph1977 said:

Roy Lime said:

mph1977 said:

heteronormative, cisgendered , meat and two veg, brolly and rolled up telepgraph stiff upper lip view curtain twitch view of the 'normal' ...

In which world is this not a bigoted comment from the Pistonheads Champion of the Oppressed?

so how else would you describe a heteronormative, cisgendered, stiff upper lip and somewhat socially conservative view of what is normal ?

fking mental?

I'm sure 'heteronormative' and 'cisgendered' are actual words in your world, but they just make you look mental to everyone else.

[mph1977]

WinstonWolf said:

I'm sure 'heteronormative' and 'cisgendered' are actual words in your world, but they just make you look mental to everyone else.

Thank you for confirming your ignorance and bigotry and that you view anyone outside your little bubble as a defective ...

the 1890s rang , they are wondering when you are going back ...

[Smiler.]

mph1977 said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm sure 'heteronormative' and 'cisgendered' are actual words in your world, but they just make you look mental to everyone else.

Thank you for confirming your ignorance and bigotry and that you view anyone outside your little bubble as a defective ...

the 1890s rang , they are wondering when you are going back ...

Oh for heavens sake




Would love to chat further but these gutter-snipes aren't gonna shove themselves up the chimneys.

[BrabusMog]

mph1977 said:

WinstonWolf said:

I'm sure 'heteronormative' and 'cisgendered' are actual words in your world, but they just make you look mental to everyone else.

Thank you for confirming your ignorance and bigotry and that you view anyone outside your little bubble as a defective ...

the 1890s rang , they are wondering when you are going back ...

Do you realise how intolerant your own posts sound? If you're so enlightened, I'd expect you to have respect for people who struggle to grasp this issue in the way you do. It makes you come across as a total prat.