Are men afraid of transgender women?
Discussion
r11co said:
So, how exactly does your simplistic and incomplete view marry-up with people born with different chromosomal arrangements to the most common XX and XY? 'Male' and 'female' as we refer to them are by far the most common 'genders' but they are not by nature the only two that exist.
I am waiting for some idiot to now point out that these few people born with different chromosomal arrangements are 'freaks', but unless you are a creationist you should know that human gender 'norms' are a result of evolution and no-one decided they were 'correct'.
Other species show very different characteristics as their evolved norms, such as the ability to change sex etc.
It remains the simple fac, that a man born as such can never be a female as it can never give birth. Agsain, how can a female , born as such , be a male when it cannot produce semen? I am waiting for some idiot to now point out that these few people born with different chromosomal arrangements are 'freaks', but unless you are a creationist you should know that human gender 'norms' are a result of evolution and no-one decided they were 'correct'.
Other species show very different characteristics as their evolved norms, such as the ability to change sex etc.
Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th August 22:13
Fact is, both cannot be other than that they were born, they can be mutilated otherwise, but they cannot ever be what they proclaim. Jenner was a man, will always be, irrespective of appearance.
Not planning on being in a position to find out.
Would hope to be told before it got to the point belts were loosened in all honesty. If I failed to work it out from there, meh.
Some men are s
t scared of even getting a boner over a transsexual. There are worse things in life to worry about, hey if you got far enough to go beyond your limits they're obviously not that unattractive to you 
Would hope to be told before it got to the point belts were loosened in all honesty. If I failed to work it out from there, meh.
Some men are s
t scared of even getting a boner over a transsexual. There are worse things in life to worry about, hey if you got far enough to go beyond your limits they're obviously not that unattractive to you Fugazi said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Curious, when was a male designed to give birth? Why was a male designed to be a woman?
Oh be quiet, you total handpump.I once had a dance at a works Christmas party with the office tranny, she asked I obliged, from the way some of the "lads" reacted you'd have thought I'd banged her in the conga line round the buffet. Of course I was very drunk at the time.
r11co said:
Yup, that confirms my suspicion. Someone else who doesn't know the difference between gender and sexuality.
You might regard Kaitlen Jenner as a straight woman (assuming she's into men, have to admit I've not been following it closely). I don't.... to me its a gay bloke with a new bodykit on it.Edited by r11co on Wednesday 19th August 22:02
I don't care what their now edited birth certificate says. If it was born a man with functioning mens bits... its a man. If it was born able to bear kids... its a woman.
Well the chromosome thing is always used to beat trans people about the head in a "you will never be" kind of way, but its totally irrelevant once the instructions have been used to build the body, its just once that's done something else (thought to be hormones during pregnancy) creates the mind and the gender identity of the person, if your lucky that identity will be of a gender that matches the body built by the chromosomes, if not then you will have a lifetime of dealing with the sort of people showing themselves on here.
As for is the person a male or female, well you have a body that is one and a mind that is the other, which is the real gender of the person, which is most important and represents the true identity of a soul. I'd argue its the mind and not the body. To try and change the identity of a persons mind, their thoughts, their very being is just barbaric, Aversion therapy, electric shock treatment, spikes up the nose, they have all been used and are pretty much accepted as wrong by modern society for all mental illnesses (and transgender is no longer classified as a mental illness btw). However hormone therapy and surgery for trans people is proven to be successful. The mind is who we all truly are not the vessel it is carried around in.
As for is the person a male or female, well you have a body that is one and a mind that is the other, which is the real gender of the person, which is most important and represents the true identity of a soul. I'd argue its the mind and not the body. To try and change the identity of a persons mind, their thoughts, their very being is just barbaric, Aversion therapy, electric shock treatment, spikes up the nose, they have all been used and are pretty much accepted as wrong by modern society for all mental illnesses (and transgender is no longer classified as a mental illness btw). However hormone therapy and surgery for trans people is proven to be successful. The mind is who we all truly are not the vessel it is carried around in.
Cheese Mechanic said:
Yes, as explained in the links , its an aberation, a weird incidenence. Weirdness is what is being talked of.
Read this, if you canhttps://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/0...
Cheese Mechanic said:
Yes, as explained in the links , its an aberation, a weird incidenence. Weirdness is what is being talked of.
What makes one set of chromosomal differences "aberation, a weird incidenence. Weirdness" and others which you presumably consider normal but create the difference between cis male and female, between the races, eye colour, you name it we are all different and our DNA is more or less considered uniqueI used to be a bit of a bigot. Then a bloke I met through my hobby turned out to be gay and then caught HIV. Him being a good bloke first and a stereotype after changed my thinking.
A while after, my other half's mate had a cousin who was female and then had a sexchange into a chap. I thought lots of bigoted thoughts about Y chromosomes and how god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. You know what, following having a day out with said person, I understand it. Oddly enough, she refers to herself as Adam.
Men are afraid of transgender women until they meet one and understand the process.
A while after, my other half's mate had a cousin who was female and then had a sexchange into a chap. I thought lots of bigoted thoughts about Y chromosomes and how god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. You know what, following having a day out with said person, I understand it. Oddly enough, she refers to herself as Adam.
Men are afraid of transgender women until they meet one and understand the process.
KFC said:
You might regard Kaitlen Jenner as a straight woman (assuming she's into men, have to admit I've not been following it closely). I don't.... to me its a gay bloke with a new bodykit on it.
I don't care what their now edited birth certificate says. If it was born a man with functioning mens bits... its a man. If it was born able to bear kids... its a woman.
I've heard or read somewhere recently that was hinting that Jenner's change could have been kick started by his use of performance enhancing drugs during his days as an Olympic decathlete. Back then the testosterone and steroids used as PEDs were pretty hardcore and the protocols unsophisticated, certainly the east german females took some lasting damage.I don't care what their now edited birth certificate says. If it was born a man with functioning mens bits... its a man. If it was born able to bear kids... its a woman.
Who cares anyway, this is one of those none issues blown out of all proportion and an excuse for melodrama and righteous indignation, no one was born to any sort of design or plan, we're all sub perfect complex and changing biology. Get over it.
r11co said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Can it give birth?
Idiotic, ignorant and offensive statement. Many, many women are born with or develop the inability to conceive and carry a child to birth.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgp9MPLEAqA
Edited by Willy Nilly on Wednesday 19th August 23:16
Willy Nilly said:
r11co said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Can it give birth?
Idiotic, ignorant and offensive statement. Many, many women are born with or develop the inability to conceive and carry a child to birth.ks.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCllerian_agene...
NSFW btw contains pictures for those with a failure to grasp that the body is not an OEM pattern part!
Luke Warm said:
Cheese Mechanic said:
Totally agree. Waking up with a pig is one thing, summat born a bloke is in another universe.
You'd have a problem waking up with this?
Treechada Petcharat, had the operation at 17 so never was a bloke...
From my point of view, I would not sleep with a transgender woman, no matter how attractive they were, as I would know they were originally a man, and therefore in my view, still a man no matter how much surgery or laser hair removal they had.
I fully accept that legally they are classed as women and I have no issue with this whatsoever. Everyone should be afforded the same rights and protection not matter what their biological, emotional or sexual status, and I would certainly stand up for the rights of these people.
But for me personally, as a heterosexual, my mind just won't let me forget that the person is still essentially a man who has been modified to physically look like a woman, and I shudder at the thought of being intimate with said person, exactly the same as I would feel repulsed by the thought of being intimate with a man.
No amount of legislation or campaigning is going to convince my mind and body that a woman who used to be a man is sexually attractive to me.
I fully accept that legally they are classed as women and I have no issue with this whatsoever. Everyone should be afforded the same rights and protection not matter what their biological, emotional or sexual status, and I would certainly stand up for the rights of these people.
But for me personally, as a heterosexual, my mind just won't let me forget that the person is still essentially a man who has been modified to physically look like a woman, and I shudder at the thought of being intimate with said person, exactly the same as I would feel repulsed by the thought of being intimate with a man.
No amount of legislation or campaigning is going to convince my mind and body that a woman who used to be a man is sexually attractive to me.
NinjaPower said:
From my point of view, I would not sleep with a transgender woman, no matter how attractive they were, as I would know they were originally a man, and therefore in my view, still a man no matter how much surgery or laser hair removal they had.
I fully accept that legally they are classed as women and I have no issue with this whatsoever.
How do these two opinions square? Or do you just accept that the legal classification of gender is now open to abuse?I fully accept that legally they are classed as women and I have no issue with this whatsoever.
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