Are men afraid of transgender women?
Discussion
Glasgowrob said:
I like to consider myself quite open minded and accepting of everyone regardless of who or what they are,
But this baffles me
Maybe i am I actual fact a bloody dinosaur but in my eyes your either
Male
Female
Something in between
Gay
Straight
Bi
I am absolutely baffled by some of the stuff in this thread and whilst I want to be accepting of everyone's feelings and views I just get the impression this is something for the specialll little snowflake brigade who need to differentiate themselves from everyone else
The cynical might connect this with the fact that society is far more accepting of homosexual relationships now. A desperate search for something that will achieve attention and disapproval by the norms But this baffles me
Maybe i am I actual fact a bloody dinosaur but in my eyes your either
Male
Female
Something in between
Gay
Straight
Bi
I am absolutely baffled by some of the stuff in this thread and whilst I want to be accepting of everyone's feelings and views I just get the impression this is something for the specialll little snowflake brigade who need to differentiate themselves from everyone else
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.
THere are only two real political movements, left and right.
Reading about this gender stuff is interesting.
"Categorizing males and females into social roles creates a problem, because individuals feel they have to be at one end of a linear spectrum and must identify themselves as man or woman, rather than being allowed to choose a section in between. Globally, communities interpret biological differences between men and women to create a set of social expectations that define the behaviours that are "appropriate" for men and women and determine women’s and men’s different access to rights, resources, power in society and health behaviours. Although the specific nature and degree of these differences vary from one society to the next, they still tend to typically favour men, creating an imbalance in power and gender inequalities within most societies. Many cultures have different systems of norms and beliefs based on gender, but there is no universal standard to a masculine or feminine role across all cultures. Social roles of men and women in relation to each other is based on the cultural norms of that society, which lead to the creation of gender systems. The gender system is the basis of social patterns in many societies, which include the separation of sexes, and the primacy of masculine norms."
I recall reading about how Celtic culture had more roles for women, before the women hating christians infiltrated stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
THere are only two real political movements, left and right.
Reading about this gender stuff is interesting.
"Categorizing males and females into social roles creates a problem, because individuals feel they have to be at one end of a linear spectrum and must identify themselves as man or woman, rather than being allowed to choose a section in between. Globally, communities interpret biological differences between men and women to create a set of social expectations that define the behaviours that are "appropriate" for men and women and determine women’s and men’s different access to rights, resources, power in society and health behaviours. Although the specific nature and degree of these differences vary from one society to the next, they still tend to typically favour men, creating an imbalance in power and gender inequalities within most societies. Many cultures have different systems of norms and beliefs based on gender, but there is no universal standard to a masculine or feminine role across all cultures. Social roles of men and women in relation to each other is based on the cultural norms of that society, which lead to the creation of gender systems. The gender system is the basis of social patterns in many societies, which include the separation of sexes, and the primacy of masculine norms."
I recall reading about how Celtic culture had more roles for women, before the women hating christians infiltrated stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Halb said:
There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.
THere are only two real political movements, left and right.
Reading about this gender stuff is interesting.
"Categorizing males and females into social roles creates a problem, because individuals feel they have to be at one end of a linear spectrum and must identify themselves as man or woman, rather than being allowed to choose a section in between. Globally, communities interpret biological differences between men and women to create a set of social expectations that define the behaviours that are "appropriate" for men and women and determine women’s and men’s different access to rights, resources, power in society and health behaviours. Although the specific nature and degree of these differences vary from one society to the next, they still tend to typically favour men, creating an imbalance in power and gender inequalities within most societies. Many cultures have different systems of norms and beliefs based on gender, but there is no universal standard to a masculine or feminine role across all cultures. Social roles of men and women in relation to each other is based on the cultural norms of that society, which lead to the creation of gender systems. The gender system is the basis of social patterns in many societies, which include the separation of sexes, and the primacy of masculine norms."
I recall reading about how Celtic culture had more roles for women, before the women hating christians infiltrated stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Except that in the west gender defines our social roles far less now than in the past.THere are only two real political movements, left and right.
Reading about this gender stuff is interesting.
"Categorizing males and females into social roles creates a problem, because individuals feel they have to be at one end of a linear spectrum and must identify themselves as man or woman, rather than being allowed to choose a section in between. Globally, communities interpret biological differences between men and women to create a set of social expectations that define the behaviours that are "appropriate" for men and women and determine women’s and men’s different access to rights, resources, power in society and health behaviours. Although the specific nature and degree of these differences vary from one society to the next, they still tend to typically favour men, creating an imbalance in power and gender inequalities within most societies. Many cultures have different systems of norms and beliefs based on gender, but there is no universal standard to a masculine or feminine role across all cultures. Social roles of men and women in relation to each other is based on the cultural norms of that society, which lead to the creation of gender systems. The gender system is the basis of social patterns in many societies, which include the separation of sexes, and the primacy of masculine norms."
I recall reading about how Celtic culture had more roles for women, before the women hating christians infiltrated stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender
Many careers are open to both sexes and a woman can be childless, and focus on her career, whilst a man can be a househusband.
if you are attracted to the same sex there is now no legal penalty for acting upon this, and you can usually marry.
Why this obsession with changing gender when gender constrains us far less?
BrabusMog said:
I just did a Google image search for "preffered pronouns Tumblr" and this was the the picture I chose from the options. But there are only two true genders, so anything else is going to be open to piss taking.
once again you prove just how threatened you gfeel on the subject, and are confusing bgender identiy and with biology and conveniently forgetting the alternate cases in biology ... BrabusMog said:
mate, I'm not threatened, do whatever you like, it's not my life. Just don't try and thrust your opinions on others.mph1977 said:
BrabusMog said:
mate, I'm not threatened, do whatever you like, it's not my life. Just don't try and thrust your opinions on others.
Do you actually write this with a straight face? BrabusMog said:
mph1977 said:
BrabusMog said:
mate, I'm not threatened, do whatever you like, it's not my life. Just don't try and thrust your opinions on others. Do you actually write this with a straight face? 
ks this and cisste thatJagLover said:
Except that in the west gender defines our social roles far less now than in the past.
Many careers are open to both sexes and a woman can be childless, and focus on her career, whilst a man can be a househusband.
if you are attracted to the same sex there is now no legal penalty for acting upon this, and you can usually marry.
Why this obsession with changing gender when gender constrains us far less?
It's going in the right direction.Many careers are open to both sexes and a woman can be childless, and focus on her career, whilst a man can be a househusband.
if you are attracted to the same sex there is now no legal penalty for acting upon this, and you can usually marry.
Why this obsession with changing gender when gender constrains us far less?
Obsession in general? People get obsessed over everything.
dudleybloke said:
What about your straight phobia?
Because you come across as very aggressive to those who don't hold your views!
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a Because you come across as very aggressive to those who don't hold your views!
you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. 
mph1977 said:
irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. PS don't worry if you're not normal, it's not an insult just a statement of fact.
WinstonWolf said:
mph1977 said:
irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. PS don't worry if you're not normal, it's not an insult just a statement of fact.
even if I wasn't as you so delicately put it 'abnormal' ( i don;t think you quite understand what Normal means ) i would still be upset by ther attitudes displayed in this thread primarily because i have seen the impact of the abuse and bullying from the so called 'normals' with regard to gender identity and sexuality and the damage it has done to people.
mph1977 said:
WinstonWolf said:
mph1977 said:
irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. PS don't worry if you're not normal, it's not an insult just a statement of fact.
even if I wasn't as you so delicately put it 'abnormal' ( i don;t think you quite understand what Normal means ) i would still be upset by ther attitudes displayed in this thread primarily because i have seen the impact of the abuse and bullying from the so called 'normals' with regard to gender identity and sexuality and the damage it has done to people.
Here's the thing, 99.9% of us couldn't give a toss just stop pushing your issues onto the rest of us. :yawn:
It seems to me that some parents are getting a little over excited about what they were being asked, it doesn't sound like they are actually being asked to put much thought into it when selecting the gender box, just that when presented with the standard male and female they are invited to select the one most appropriate if the child has indicated other than how they were born, unless my son had said otherwise I'd just tick the male box without much thought and I guess those few parents with the transgenders can go ahead and tick whatever they like.
Its not much hardship on the school, it just tells them he prefers she etc. Given the stuff posted earlier about these children that are transgendering (yes I read the thing on the Seattle research) it doesn't seem like its doing any harm so long as the authorities keep an eye on the wellbeing and make sure they are not being abused or forced into it by a mum who wanted a girl and got a boy. As a mother I would want the best for my child, it must be horrible to deal with as a child and a parent but if it meant standing up to society for them like that family in the USA who the whole town turned against, then you have to protect them as a parent. Forcing them to be something they are not happy about doesn't seem like a good idea, let them play dress up for a while and if they grow out of it then great, we have some good wedding speech material, if they don't then at least we haven't made their life harder.
Its not much hardship on the school, it just tells them he prefers she etc. Given the stuff posted earlier about these children that are transgendering (yes I read the thing on the Seattle research) it doesn't seem like its doing any harm so long as the authorities keep an eye on the wellbeing and make sure they are not being abused or forced into it by a mum who wanted a girl and got a boy. As a mother I would want the best for my child, it must be horrible to deal with as a child and a parent but if it meant standing up to society for them like that family in the USA who the whole town turned against, then you have to protect them as a parent. Forcing them to be something they are not happy about doesn't seem like a good idea, let them play dress up for a while and if they grow out of it then great, we have some good wedding speech material, if they don't then at least we haven't made their life harder.
mph1977 said:
WinstonWolf said:
mph1977 said:
irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. PS don't worry if you're not normal, it's not an insult just a statement of fact.
even if I wasn't as you so delicately put it 'abnormal' ( i don;t think you quite understand what Normal means ) i would still be upset by ther attitudes displayed in this thread primarily because i have seen the impact of the abuse and bullying from the so called 'normals' with regard to gender identity and sexuality and the damage it has done to people.
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