Are men afraid of transgender women?
Discussion
irocfan said:
mph1977 said:
WinstonWolf said:
mph1977 said:
irocfan said:
As I see it '77 is one of those SJW types who sees 'phobia' in everything. Were I to call you a 
you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour.
or perhaps as a health professional and someone with a none binary gender identity i 'm sick and fed up of the ignorance and discrimination that people consider to be 'normal' and the obvious effects it has on the victims of such abuse ... you'd likely call me one in return or think "what a rude idiot Irocfan is" (both of which may well be true!), were I to call '77 a my feeling is that he'd accuse me of being guilty of a hate crime/thought crime or some sort of phobic-behaviour. PS don't worry if you're not normal, it's not an insult just a statement of fact.
even if I wasn't as you so delicately put it 'abnormal' ( i don;t think you quite understand what Normal means ) i would still be upset by ther attitudes displayed in this thread primarily because i have seen the impact of the abuse and bullying from the so called 'normals' with regard to gender identity and sexuality and the damage it has done to people.
Looket said:
"normal
[nawr-muh l]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
2.
serving to establish a standard.
3.
Psychology.
approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.
free from any mental disorder; sane.
4.
Biology, Medicine/Medical.
free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.
of natural occurrence.
5.
Mathematics.
being at right angles, as a line; perpendicular.
of the nature of or pertaining to a mathematical normal.
(of an orthogonal system of real functions) defined so that the integral of the square of the absolute value of any function is 1.
(of a topological space) having the property that corresponding to every pair of disjoint closed sets are two disjoint open sets, each containing one of the closed sets.
(of a subgroup) having the property that the same set of elements results when all the elements of the subgroup are operated on consistently on the left and consistently on the right by any element of the group; invariant.
6.
Chemistry.
(of a solution) containing one equivalent weight of the constituent in question in one liter of solution.
pertaining to an aliphatic hydrocarbon having a straight unbranched carbon chain, each carbon atom of which is joined to no more than two other carbon atoms.
of or relating to a neutral salt in which any replaceable hydroxyl groups or hydrogen atoms have been replaced by other groups or atoms, as sodium sulfate, Na 2 SO 4.
noun
7.
the average or mean:
Production may fall below normal.
8.
the standard or type.
9.
Mathematics.
a perpendicular line or plane, especially one perpendicular to a tangent line of a curve, or a tangent plane of a surface, at the point of contact.
the portion of this perpendicular line included between its point of contact with the curve and the x- axis."
And from the British dictionary:
"normal
/?n??m?l/
adjective
1.
usual; regular; common; typical: the normal way of doing it, the normal level
2.
constituting a standard: if we take this as normal
3.
(psychol)
being within certain limits of intelligence, educational success or ability, etc
conforming to the conventions of one's group
4.
(biology, med) (of laboratory animals) maintained in a natural state for purposes of comparison with animals treated with drugs, etc
5.
(chem) (of a solution) containing a number of grams equal to the equivalent weight of the solute in each litre of solvent N
6.
(chem) denoting a straight-chain hydrocarbon: a normal alkane. Prefix: n-, e.g. n- octane
7.
(geometry) another word for perpendicular (sense 1)
noun
8.
the usual, average, or typical state, degree, form, etc
9.
anything that is normal
10.
(geometry) a line or plane perpendicular to another line or plane or to the tangent of a curved line or plane at the point of contact
Derived Forms
normality (n???mæl?t?), especially ( US) normalcy, noun
Word Origin
C16: from Latin norm?lis conforming to the carpenter's square, from norma norm
Word Origin and History for normal
adj.
c.1500, "typical, common;" 1640s, "standing at a right angle," from Late Latin normalis "in conformity with rule, normal," from Latin normalis "made according to a carpenter's square," from norma "rule, pattern," literally "carpenter's square" (see norm ). Meaning "conforming to common standards, usual" is from 1828, but probably older than the record [Barnhart].
As a noun meaning "usual state or condition," from 1890. Sense of "normal person or thing" is from 1894. Normal school (1834) is from French école normale (1794), a republican foundation. The city of Normal, Illinois, U.S., was named 1857 for the normal school established there.
normal in Medicine
normal nor·mal (nôr'm?l)
adj.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.
Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
Occurring naturally and not because of disease, inoculation, or any experimental treatment. Used of immunity.
Of, relating to, or being a solution having one gram equivalent weight of solute per liter of solution.
Of, relating to, or being an aliphatic hydrocarbon having a straight and unbranched chain of carbon atoms.
Of, relating to, or characterized by average intelligence or development.
n.
The usual or the expected state, form, amount, or degree."
I'll also include a link to the Oxford Dictionary... and here it is! Tadaa![nawr-muh l]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
2.
serving to establish a standard.
3.
Psychology.
approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.
free from any mental disorder; sane.
4.
Biology, Medicine/Medical.
free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.
of natural occurrence.
5.
Mathematics.
being at right angles, as a line; perpendicular.
of the nature of or pertaining to a mathematical normal.
(of an orthogonal system of real functions) defined so that the integral of the square of the absolute value of any function is 1.
(of a topological space) having the property that corresponding to every pair of disjoint closed sets are two disjoint open sets, each containing one of the closed sets.
(of a subgroup) having the property that the same set of elements results when all the elements of the subgroup are operated on consistently on the left and consistently on the right by any element of the group; invariant.
6.
Chemistry.
(of a solution) containing one equivalent weight of the constituent in question in one liter of solution.
pertaining to an aliphatic hydrocarbon having a straight unbranched carbon chain, each carbon atom of which is joined to no more than two other carbon atoms.
of or relating to a neutral salt in which any replaceable hydroxyl groups or hydrogen atoms have been replaced by other groups or atoms, as sodium sulfate, Na 2 SO 4.
noun
7.
the average or mean:
Production may fall below normal.
8.
the standard or type.
9.
Mathematics.
a perpendicular line or plane, especially one perpendicular to a tangent line of a curve, or a tangent plane of a surface, at the point of contact.
the portion of this perpendicular line included between its point of contact with the curve and the x- axis."
And from the British dictionary:
"normal
/?n??m?l/
adjective
1.
usual; regular; common; typical: the normal way of doing it, the normal level
2.
constituting a standard: if we take this as normal
3.
(psychol)
being within certain limits of intelligence, educational success or ability, etc
conforming to the conventions of one's group
4.
(biology, med) (of laboratory animals) maintained in a natural state for purposes of comparison with animals treated with drugs, etc
5.
(chem) (of a solution) containing a number of grams equal to the equivalent weight of the solute in each litre of solvent N
6.
(chem) denoting a straight-chain hydrocarbon: a normal alkane. Prefix: n-, e.g. n- octane
7.
(geometry) another word for perpendicular (sense 1)
noun
8.
the usual, average, or typical state, degree, form, etc
9.
anything that is normal
10.
(geometry) a line or plane perpendicular to another line or plane or to the tangent of a curved line or plane at the point of contact
Derived Forms
normality (n???mæl?t?), especially ( US) normalcy, noun
Word Origin
C16: from Latin norm?lis conforming to the carpenter's square, from norma norm
Word Origin and History for normal
adj.
c.1500, "typical, common;" 1640s, "standing at a right angle," from Late Latin normalis "in conformity with rule, normal," from Latin normalis "made according to a carpenter's square," from norma "rule, pattern," literally "carpenter's square" (see norm ). Meaning "conforming to common standards, usual" is from 1828, but probably older than the record [Barnhart].
As a noun meaning "usual state or condition," from 1890. Sense of "normal person or thing" is from 1894. Normal school (1834) is from French école normale (1794), a republican foundation. The city of Normal, Illinois, U.S., was named 1857 for the normal school established there.
normal in Medicine
normal nor·mal (nôr'm?l)
adj.
Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.
Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
Occurring naturally and not because of disease, inoculation, or any experimental treatment. Used of immunity.
Of, relating to, or being a solution having one gram equivalent weight of solute per liter of solution.
Of, relating to, or being an aliphatic hydrocarbon having a straight and unbranched chain of carbon atoms.
Of, relating to, or characterized by average intelligence or development.
n.
The usual or the expected state, form, amount, or degree."
Regards,
A Raging Transophobe Bigot Times a Million (apparently)
Looket said:
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To be fair the transgenders do meet quite a few of those criteria for normal especially when you consider the diverse range of humans, and in all honesty when we use the word normal in relation to trans issues, we are using it to make their existence seem less ok, well that's certainly how I see it anyway.usbooz said:
To be fair the transgenders do meet quite a few of those criteria for normal especially when you consider the diverse range of humans, and in all honesty when we use the word normal in relation to trans issues, we are using it to make their existence seem less ok, well that's certainly how I see it anyway.
spot on, that transgender people are normal people in the grand scheme of things and the way in which 'normal' is being used in relation to issues of gender identity or sexuality by people who wish to impose a binary cisgendered and heteronormative world view on others does mean mean exactly that ...I think this answers the original question , yes there are a lot of insecure men who try and cover their fear of people with differing gender identities and/or none heterosexual sexuality by discrimination, bullying and bigtory.
mph1977 said:
usbooz said:
To be fair the transgenders do meet quite a few of those criteria for normal especially when you consider the diverse range of humans, and in all honesty when we use the word normal in relation to trans issues, we are using it to make their existence seem less ok, well that's certainly how I see it anyway.
spot on, that transgender people are normal people in the grand scheme of things and the way in which 'normal' is being used in relation to issues of gender identity or sexuality by people who wish to impose a binary cisgendered and heteronormative world view on others does mean mean exactly that ...I think this answers the original question , yes there are a lot of insecure men who try and cover their fear of people with differing gender identities and/or none heterosexual sexuality by discrimination, bullying and bigtory.
usbooz said:
Well they certainly don't want to have to question if they are gay because the babe with the big tits used to have big balls as well because its a tranny. They cant grasp the concept that if its got tits and a fanny and they are guys into tits and fannys then it doesn't really make them gay
what aobut if the girl has tits and hasn't had 'bottom surgery' ?mph1977 said:
usbooz said:
Well they certainly don't want to have to question if they are gay because the babe with the big tits used to have big balls as well because its a tranny. They cant grasp the concept that if its got tits and a fanny and they are guys into tits and fannys then it doesn't really make them gay
what aobut if the girl has tits and hasn't had 'bottom surgery' ?Edited by usbooz on Saturday 23 April 23:32
irocfan said:
you know he does - probably flogging himself into a frenzy because we're not using the 'correct' terms like cisbks this and cisste that
Indeed, pondering what is the de-rigueur expression for somebody to take a beating and keep coming back for more?ks this and cisste thatEdited by 4x4Tyke on Sunday 24th April 10:42
mph1977 said:
usbooz said:
Well they certainly don't want to have to question if they are gay because the babe with the big tits used to have big balls as well because its a tranny. They cant grasp the concept that if its got tits and a fanny and they are guys into tits and fannys then it doesn't really make them gay
what aobut if the girl has tits and hasn't had 'bottom surgery' ?mph1977 said:
usbooz said:
To be fair the transgenders do meet quite a few of those criteria for normal especially when you consider the diverse range of humans, and in all honesty when we use the word normal in relation to trans issues, we are using it to make their existence seem less ok, well that's certainly how I see it anyway.
spot on, that transgender people are normal people in the grand scheme of things and the way in which 'normal' is being used in relation to issues of gender identity or sexuality by people who wish to impose a binary cisgendered and heteronormative world view on others does mean mean exactly that ...I think this answers the original question , yes there are a lot of insecure men who try and cover their fear of people with differing gender identities and/or none heterosexual sexuality by discrimination, bullying and bigtory.
Stop using silly words, the world will become a much easier place for you to fit in to.
Vincefox said:
What the F**K is going on in here?
Metrosexuality. That's not fertive sex on a French Underground train either (chance would be a fine thing) but is instead just plain bloody weird stuff I don't understand and I'm relieved I don't. I'm from the era when Men were Men, Women were Women and everything else scared the horses.
Do you actually write this with a straight face? 
DocJock said:
p2c said:
DocJock said:
Alternatively, if true equality is the aim, should we not be working towards abolishing the concept of gender altogether?
What purpose does defining oneself by a label serve anyway? Why can't we all just be 'a person'?
Equality is not about abolishing variation, its about treating the variations equally.What purpose does defining oneself by a label serve anyway? Why can't we all just be 'a person'?
For the sake of clarity, I include the traditional male and female in those artificial labels.
Ex colleague of mine was drunk on a tram and sniggered at a Tranny. Tranny took offence and had a pop (fair play, really). Ex colleague fought back.
Passing Rugby squad spotted ex colleague and Tranny scrapping, misread the situation as ex colleague battering a women, split up the fight and battered the ex colleague.
The story went that when the Rugby lads realised what was going on, they stopped and apologised. Except one, who kicked the ex colleague in the head just as a parting shot because... well, why not?
I don't know if this adds anything to the thread, but it's a funny story. I think.
Passing Rugby squad spotted ex colleague and Tranny scrapping, misread the situation as ex colleague battering a women, split up the fight and battered the ex colleague.
The story went that when the Rugby lads realised what was going on, they stopped and apologised. Except one, who kicked the ex colleague in the head just as a parting shot because... well, why not?
I don't know if this adds anything to the thread, but it's a funny story. I think.
usbooz said:
mph1977 said:
usbooz said:
Well they certainly don't want to have to question if they are gay because the babe with the big tits used to have big balls as well because its a tranny. They cant grasp the concept that if its got tits and a fanny and they are guys into tits and fannys then it doesn't really make them gay
what aobut if the girl has tits and hasn't had 'bottom surgery' ?Edited by usbooz on Saturday 23 April 23:32
usbooz said:
DocJock said:
p2c said:
DocJock said:
Alternatively, if true equality is the aim, should we not be working towards abolishing the concept of gender altogether?
What purpose does defining oneself by a label serve anyway? Why can't we all just be 'a person'?
Equality is not about abolishing variation, its about treating the variations equally.What purpose does defining oneself by a label serve anyway? Why can't we all just be 'a person'?
For the sake of clarity, I include the traditional male and female in those artificial labels.
It is also,by definition, divisive. Stop labelling people as 'different' if you want everyone treated the same. We are all just people to be treated equally.
How much more simple do you need?
You are the one 'tying yourself in knots' trying to attribute something more complicated to that simple statement.
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