Are men afraid of transgender women?

[SkrrSkrr]

If i put a R8 body kit and engine upgrades on a TT does that make it an r8?

[davepoth]

SkrrSkrr said:

If i put a R8 body kit and engine upgrades on a TT does that make it an r8?

If everyone apart from the most anal of annoying forum anoraks is convinced, then I guess so.

[Jonesy23]

SkrrSkrr said:

If i put a R8 body kit and engine upgrades on a TT does that make it an r8?

With the right amount of rework you could make a convincing job on the outside, at least from distance. But once you were inside it you'd probably be able to tell it wasn't quite what you expected.



As for the Guides story, I'd hope they have at least some boundaries. It's one thing to be inclusive, it's another thing entirely to let anyone in based on something as vague as 'self-identity' without at least a pretence of going a bit further with their gender identification. They aren't following the Scouts model of just opening up their membership (so properly allowing for multiple genders in their activities) just loosening their definition of 'female' to the point where it basically doesn't exist. Zero scope for that to go wrong!

A lot of wonderful fluffy ideas are floating around at the moment and reality is going to kick in hard sooner or later.

[Randy Winkman]

Jonesy23 said:

A lot of wonderful fluffy ideas are floating around at the moment and reality is going to kick in hard sooner or later.

I think that the fact that some people are making an effort makes the world a better place.

[ofcorsa]

I don't think mean are afraid of transgender women, but a brief look at places like Mumsnet would suggest that women are.

[Captain Benzo]

Morningside said:

FredClogs said:

BrabusMog said:

For all you bigots, here is a list of pronouns/genders/I don't even know

What no symbol for NPN bipolar transistors?

That's transphobic that is.

What have you got against PNP transistors?

this is just confusing me even more.

I didn't realise Khorne was a gender?

Blood for the blood god!!

[Halb]

Randy Winkman said:

I think that the fact that some people are making an effort makes the world a better place.

[AllTorque]

julian64 said:

To go into a relationship with someone with open eyes knowing they can't have children is one thing. To go into a relationship with one side knowing they can't have children but not admitting to this is wrong IMHO.

I agree with this - but would it be acceptable for a transwoman in a new relationship with her man to only say "I've got something to tell you honey... I can't have kids". Him: "well, that's ok babe I don't want them anyway".... and they live happily ever after? OR... she then slips in a subtle "oh and by the way, I was born with male sex organs and XY chromosomes". It just might be a different outcome

[julian64]

AllTorque said:

julian64 said:

To go into a relationship with someone with open eyes knowing they can't have children is one thing. To go into a relationship with one side knowing they can't have children but not admitting to this is wrong IMHO.

I agree with this - but would it be acceptable for a transwoman in a new relationship with her man to only say "I've got something to tell you honey... I can't have kids". Him: "well, that's ok babe I don't want them anyway".... and they live happily ever after? OR... she then slips in a subtle "oh and by the way, I was born with male sex organs and XY chromosomes". It just might be a different outcome

Dunno. When you have sex with someone you owe them a duty of care, to not put them in harms way, but you don't owe them full disclosure.

In a relationship not many of us have told wives all about old girlfriends but we would tell them about anything that would materially affect them. Previous children, difficult drug histories, alcoholism, money worries, and I think gender surgery would be at this level.

I wouldn't expect everyone post gender surgery to inform every casual sex partner they had, but I would expect that to change when it changes to a relationship.

[amusingduck]

julian64 said:

AllTorque said:

julian64 said:

To go into a relationship with someone with open eyes knowing they can't have children is one thing. To go into a relationship with one side knowing they can't have children but not admitting to this is wrong IMHO.

I agree with this - but would it be acceptable for a transwoman in a new relationship with her man to only say "I've got something to tell you honey... I can't have kids". Him: "well, that's ok babe I don't want them anyway".... and they live happily ever after? OR... she then slips in a subtle "oh and by the way, I was born with male sex organs and XY chromosomes". It just might be a different outcome

Dunno. When you have sex with someone you owe them a duty of care, to not put them in harms way, but you don't owe them full disclosure.

In a relationship not many of us have told wives all about old girlfriends but we would tell them about anything that would materially affect them. Previous children, difficult drug histories, alcoholism, money worries, and I think gender surgery would be at this level.

I wouldn't expect everyone post gender surgery to inform every casual sex partner they had, but I would expect that to change when it changes to a relationship.

Couldn't disagree more.

[GroundEffect]

I don't understand the issue from Straight men. 'Used to be a man'. By very definition they are no longer a man then.

Loosely, it's like not sleeping with someone because they used to be a child. Take them for who or what they are now.

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

[WinstonWolf]

GroundEffect said:

I don't understand the issue from Straight men. 'Used to be a man'. By very definition they are no longer a man then.

Loosely, it's like not sleeping with someone because they used to be a child. Take them for who or what they are now.

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

And beards and penises and boobs (for starters), but other than that you really can't tell them apart.

[FredClogs]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38730291

Fair play to her for speaking out, shows real balls.

[WinstonWolf]

FredClogs said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38730291

Fair play to her for speaking out, shows real balls.

I see what you did there...

[GroundEffect]

WinstonWolf said:

GroundEffect said:

I don't understand the issue from Straight men. 'Used to be a man'. By very definition they are no longer a man then.

Loosely, it's like not sleeping with someone because they used to be a child. Take them for who or what they are now.

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

And beards and penises and boobs (for starters), but other than that you really can't tell them apart.

Beards are optional. For men and women...

[WinstonWolf]

GroundEffect said:

WinstonWolf said:

GroundEffect said:

I don't understand the issue from Straight men. 'Used to be a man'. By very definition they are no longer a man then.

Loosely, it's like not sleeping with someone because they used to be a child. Take them for who or what they are now.

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

And beards and penises and boobs (for starters), but other than that you really can't tell them apart.

Beards are optional. For men and women...

Call me picky, but I prefer my women without a five o'clock shadow.

[popeyewhite]

GroundEffect said:

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Some of the men I know but haven't had sex with are nothing like women. Biceps, sweat, tattoos, body hair, aggression, poor hygiene...and manners - now you mention it. From your description your taste in men comes down on the more effeminate type.

[FredClogs]

popeyewhite said:

GroundEffect said:

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Some of the men I know but haven't had sex with are nothing like women. Biceps, sweat, tattoos, body hair, aggression, poor hygiene...and manners - now you mention it. From your description your taste in men comes down on the more effeminate type.

You've never been with a Northern Lass have you?

[GroundEffect]

popeyewhite said:

GroundEffect said:

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Some of the men I know but haven't had sex with are nothing like women. Biceps, sweat, tattoos, body hair, aggression, poor hygiene...and manners - now you mention it. From your description your taste in men comes down on the more effeminate type.

Not effeminate by any means, just not disgusting slobs. If they can't shower at least once a day, brush their teeth and wear deodorant I'm not going to shag them - male or female. Men just seem to get more free reign to be bogging than women.

Oh and on muscles/hair every person is different. These are all barely noticeable when the lights are off tbh.

[popeyewhite]

FredClogs said:

You've never been with a Northern Lass have you?