Are men afraid of transgender women?

[WinstonWolf]

GroundEffect said:

popeyewhite said:

GroundEffect said:

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Some of the men I know but haven't had sex with are nothing like women. Biceps, sweat, tattoos, body hair, aggression, poor hygiene...and manners - now you mention it. From your description your taste in men comes down on the more effeminate type.

Not effeminate by any means, just not disgusting slobs. If they can't shower at least once a day, brush their teeth and wear deodorant I'm not going to shag them - male or female. Men just seem to get more free reign to be bogging than women.

Oh and on muscles/hair every person is different. These are all barely noticeable when the lights are off tbh.

Err, my arms are twice the size of my Mrs. I suggest you sleep with the lights on if you can confuse the two...

[Ste1987]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837



Now I'm confused. Totally would! Still has a dick though...

[MTech535]

Sonia used to be a dude?

[GroundEffect]

WinstonWolf said:

GroundEffect said:

popeyewhite said:

GroundEffect said:

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Some of the men I know but haven't had sex with are nothing like women. Biceps, sweat, tattoos, body hair, aggression, poor hygiene...and manners - now you mention it. From your description your taste in men comes down on the more effeminate type.

Not effeminate by any means, just not disgusting slobs. If they can't shower at least once a day, brush their teeth and wear deodorant I'm not going to shag them - male or female. Men just seem to get more free reign to be bogging than women.

Oh and on muscles/hair every person is different. These are all barely noticeable when the lights are off tbh.

Err, my arms are twice the size of my Mrs. I suggest you sleep with the lights on if you can confuse the two...

I was getting at it just doesn't matter in the end.

[BlackLabel]

Ste1987 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837



Now I'm confused. Totally would! Still has a dick though...

Beeb said:

"I can still use my penis but I prefer not to."

Surgery is a consideration for the future.

"If my girlfriend and I stay together and we want children, I need things to stay as they are right now.

"After we have kids, I'd like to have surgery.

So she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

[MTech535]

BlackLabel said:

Ste1987 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837



Now I'm confused. Totally would! Still has a dick though...

Beeb said:

"I can still use my penis but I prefer not to."

Surgery is a consideration for the future.

"If my girlfriend and I stay together and we want children, I need things to stay as they are right now.

"After we have kids, I'd like to have surgery.

So she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

Wouldn't the hormone treatment mess the process up?

I have no idea how this works.

[amusingduck]

BlackLabel said:

Ste1987 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837



Now I'm confused. Totally would! Still has a dick though...

Beeb said:

"I can still use my penis but I prefer not to."

Surgery is a consideration for the future.

"If my girlfriend and I stay together and we want children, I need things to stay as they are right now.

"After we have kids, I'd like to have surgery.

So she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

Whats wrong with that?

[FredClogs]

BlackLabel said:

Ste1987 said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38637837



Now I'm confused. Totally would! Still has a dick though...

Beeb said:

"I can still use my penis but I prefer not to."

Surgery is a consideration for the future.

"If my girlfriend and I stay together and we want children, I need things to stay as they are right now.

"After we have kids, I'd like to have surgery.

So she wants to have her cock and eat it too.

ftfy

[TTwiggy]

WinstonWolf said:

Err, my arms are twice the size of my Mrs.

Length or girth?

[FredClogs]

TTwiggy said:

WinstonWolf said:

Err, my arms are twice the size of my Mrs.

Length or girth?

That's not fair, you know she was a thalidomide baby.

[WinstonWolf]

Apparently it's all about the girth...

[BlackLabel]

amusingduck said:

Whats wrong with that?

Surely she either wants a penis or she doesn't - why wait a moment longer than is necessary to make the full transition?

[amusingduck]

BlackLabel said:

amusingduck said:

Whats wrong with that?

Surely she either wants a penis or she doesn't - why wait a moment longer than is necessary to make the full transition?

The vast majority of people who want children, want children that are genetically theirs. I don't see how it's any different.

[Halb]

GroundEffect said:

I don't understand the issue from Straight men. 'Used to be a man'. By very definition they are no longer a man then.

Loosely, it's like not sleeping with someone because they used to be a child. Take them for who or what they are now.

And really, the differences between men and women are very small. And I know because I bat for both teams so unlike our armchair experts, I'm a seasoned pro they are the same to kiss, they smell the same. Only real difference is that women's skin is softer.

Scared their manliness might be called into disrepute!?

[Ste1987]

BlackLabel said:

amusingduck said:

Whats wrong with that?

Surely she either wants a penis or she doesn't - why wait a moment longer than is necessary to make the full transition?

If you read the article, you'll know she says she hates having a penis and is only keeping it so she can have kids with her girlfriend however, as someone pointed out, won't the hormone treatment mess things up in terms of fertility?

[davepoth]

Ste1987 said:

If you read the article, you'll know she says she hates having a penis and is only keeping it so she can have kids with her girlfriend however, as someone pointed out, won't the hormone treatment mess things up in terms of fertility?

Like the man that stopped hormones and got pregnant, I think it would probably "wake up" again pretty quickly. Still doesn't explain why sperm didn't get frozen though. Each to their own, I suppose.

[Some Gump]

That photo of the model - anyone surprised? Looks very boyish anyway.

Thing is, I'm not sure its news. Androdgony has always been popular with high fashion, and since none of us are likely to talk to this model, never mind try into get a bunk up I'm failing to see why the BBC have it above world news on my poage feed...

[mybrainhurts]

Some Gump said:

That photo of the model - anyone surprised? Looks very boyish anyway.

Thing is, I'm not sure its news. Androdgony has always been popular with high fashion, and since none of us are likely to talk to this model, never mind try into get a bunk up I'm failing to see why the BBC have it above world news on my poage feed...

What's a poage feed? Sounds a bit iffy...

[FredClogs]

Some Gump said:

That photo of the model - anyone surprised? Looks very boyish anyway.

Thing is, I'm not sure its news. Androdgony has always been popular with high fashion, and since none of us are likely to talk to this model, never mind try into get a bunk up I'm failing to see why the BBC have it above world news on my poage feed...

Non binary sexual and gender identities are the zeitgeist.

I linked it partially because it's relative to the discussion but also in the hope that some people from around these parts who believe that you're either born x or y and the biology is entirely clear cut and irreversable might have pause for thought as to the uniqueness of each individual and utter mind blowing complexity of the human body.

BTW I've had her...

[grumbledoak]

FredClogs said:

I linked it partially because it's relative to the discussion but also in the hope that some people from around these parts who believe that you're either born x or y and the biology is entirely clear cut and irreversable might have pause for thought as to the uniqueness of each individual and utter mind blowing complexity of the human body.

It is certainly related. But I'm not sure how it fits the given narrative. Hanne Gaby Odiele is protesting that she was made a transgender woman without her consent.