Are men afraid of transgender women?

[PH XKR]

romeogolf said:

otolith said:

Don't really see that it's a big deal, to be honest. If a system needs to know your biological sex, it should ask, not infer it from your courtesy title, and if it doesn't need to know, it doesn't matter.

I agree, really. We don't really question it when a woman prefers to be Ms and no disclose her marital status, so why should a transgender person be treated any differently when they want to hide their gender?

all well and good post-op but pre-op?

[Terminator X]

"Children as young as five are now undergoing gender reassignment therapy" one of the many reasons why the world is off to Hell in a handbag.

TX.

[PH XKR]

I'll admit, I'd have given Miriam one

[Triumph Man]

PH XKR said:

I'll admit, I'd have given Miriam one

I think we all would.

[Hayek]

Terminator X said:

"Children as young as five are now undergoing gender reassignment therapy" one of the many reasons why the world is off to Hell in a handbag.

TX.

Where did you get this from? Hell is about right: I'm not religious (i.e. superstitious) but sadly I think this where humans end up going without religion. They find some absolute tosh to believe in instead, and it's probably far worse.

[Goaty Bill 2]

Hayek said:

Terminator X said:

"Children as young as five are now undergoing gender reassignment therapy" one of the many reasons why the world is off to Hell in a handbag.

TX.

Where did you get this from? Hell is about right: I'm not religious (i.e. superstitious) but sadly I think this where humans end up going without religion. They find some absolute tosh to believe in instead, and it's probably far worse.

Sadly, it's not even all that rare from what I've read. Sorry, I don't keep a list of articles on this subject.

I think you are right about 'our' direction.
Bloody post modernist / constructionist theory that claims everything is a social construct. It's just an ideology for the neo-Marxists to hide behind.

In general, people want a simple set of 'rules' to tell them how to behave, and how to identify 'good' from 'evil'.
Religion once provided the foundation for that.
With the 'loss' of religious determinism, we now have the secular relativism. The argument that "your values/morals are no better than mine" basically, because it is all a social construct.

Unfortunately, the average person is too lazy or isn't smart enough, to think about these fundamentals for themselves; how to behave, what is good and evil; so they adopt an ideology that seems to generally fit how they think they feel about things - you could make a similar argument to more or less for the choice to be religious - and then they pretty much blindly follow it.

One should be able to sympathise with how this happens, after all, it is quite traumatic when you realise that news papers are not telling the truth, some of the stories may even be complete fabrications, that politicians lie, that even the BBC may no longer neutral and factual in it's reporting as we once may have believed!

[FlyingMeeces]

Terminator X said:

"Children as young as five are now undergoing gender reassignment therapy" one of the many reasons why the world is off to Hell in a handbag.

TX.

Which is all well and good except for how it's complete nonsense.

a) Nobody at pre-puberty age gets any physiological (medical/drugs) treatment whatsover.
b) Only a very small number of teenagers entering the 'wrong' puberty and in acute distress as a result are given medication to 'pause' that puberty - more commonly those drugs are used in precocious puberty for non-trans kids - and those drugs have no active effect, only passively suspend puberty. Stop them and everything resumes as if it had never been interrupted.
c) Only once you're 16 do you even get assessed for the drugs that actually do anything. This assessment process generally takes about a year, and sometimes a hell of a lot longer.

The Tavistock Clinic, who are the only bit of the NHS in England (possibly in the UK, not sure) providing care to trans children, are, not inappropriately, pretty leery about encouraging social transition in kids, and even more so in very little kids. The numbers transitioning at primary school age are absolutely tiny. They pretty much never recommend it for five-year-olds; very occasionally some tiny little tot shows up and is so certain of themselves that everyone agrees it's worth a go, or, more often, that it's NOT worth trying to stop them when they are essentially already there.

[grumbledoak]

FlyingMeeces said:

They pretty much never recommend it for five-year-olds; very occasionally some tiny little tot shows up and is so certain of themselves that everyone agrees it's worth a go, or, more often, that it's NOT worth trying to stop them when they are essentially already there.

I do hope those "tots" are free at a later date to sue everyone involved.

[FlyingMeeces]

grumbledoak said:

FlyingMeeces said:

They pretty much never recommend it for five-year-olds; very occasionally some tiny little tot shows up and is so certain of themselves that everyone agrees it's worth a go, or, more often, that it's NOT worth trying to stop them when they are essentially already there.

I do hope those "tots" are free at a later date to sue everyone involved.

I can't imagine why they wouldn't be. Given that the intervention at that age is generally along the lines of "stop telling him he's wrong, it's been a full year, it's making him utterly distraught and you're not gaining any ground", followed perhaps by some advice about managing school and such - well, it's not exactly an irreversible therapeutic intervention at high risk of litigation.

[otolith]

I'm a lot less troubled by others living their lives free from "morality" dictated by priests with bronze age myths than I would be by God-botherers interfering in mine.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."

[BlackLabel]

Police swap helmets for caps to attract more transgender officers

telegraph said:

"Having to choose gender-based headgear is a barrier to the non-binary transgender community joining the police service. By introducing this new hat we provide a single protective hat to all police officers, Special Constables and PCSOs for general duties."

The new “Bump Caps” – essentially baseball caps with a reinforced internal frame – began being introduced yesterday and will completely replace the more traditional custodian and bowler hats by June 9.

It is the third force to adopt the new headgear following successful launches in Cheshire and Lancashire.

[Hayek]

otolith said:

I'm a lot less troubled by others living their lives free from "morality" dictated by priests with bronze age myths than I would be by God-botherers interfering in mine.

Are you ok with having your morality dictated by politicians?

[Hayek]

BlackLabel said:

Police swap helmets for caps to attract more transgender officers

telegraph said:

"Having to choose gender-based headgear is a barrier to the non-binary transgender community joining the police service. By introducing this new hat we provide a single protective hat to all police officers, Special Constables and PCSOs for general duties."

The new “Bump Caps” – essentially baseball caps with a reinforced internal frame – began being introduced yesterday and will completely replace the more traditional custodian and bowler hats by June 9.

It is the third force to adopt the new headgear following successful launches in Cheshire and Lancashire.

Rather casual.

[Ste1987]

BlackLabel said:

Police swap helmets for caps to attract more transgender officers

telegraph said:

"Having to choose gender-based headgear is a barrier to the non-binary transgender community joining the police service. By introducing this new hat we provide a single protective hat to all police officers, Special Constables and PCSOs for general duties."

The new “Bump Caps” – essentially baseball caps with a reinforced internal frame – began being introduced yesterday and will completely replace the more traditional custodian and bowler hats by June 9.

It is the third force to adopt the new headgear following successful launches in Cheshire and Lancashire.

But what if a pregnant woman needs a piss?

[otolith]

Hayek said:

otolith said:

I'm a lot less troubled by others living their lives free from "morality" dictated by priests with bronze age myths than I would be by God-botherers interfering in mine.

Are you ok with having your morality dictated by politicians?

My morality is my own.

Do I want laws restricting my freedom based on the personal morality of politicians? No, not really, but in a democracy we at least retain the option to get rid of them if their laws are unpopular. They don't claim any authority beyond their democratic mandate.

[Goaty Bill 2]

otolith said:

Hayek said:

otolith said:

I'm a lot less troubled by others living their lives free from "morality" dictated by priests with bronze age myths than I would be by God-botherers interfering in mine.

Are you ok with having your morality dictated by politicians?

My morality is my own.

Do I want laws restricting my freedom based on the personal morality of politicians? No, not really, but in a democracy we at least retain the option to get rid of them if their laws are unpopular. They don't claim any authority beyond their democratic mandate.

To take that to it's logical conclusion; you are happy for the majority vote of the electorate to dictate your morality?