Gun man overpowered on train

[red_slr]

Don't laugh - some special forces teams have been using "paint ball" guns for quite a number of years - although not in active shooter situations I admit!

Less lethal would not be an option in that situation so its all a bit odd but the tech has been out there a long time and has been used operationally.

[anonymous-user]

How many terrist attacks in last 10 years in europe have been carried out by non eu nationals.

I guess none without looking in detail.

[Bill]

drivetrain said:

Little or no benefit? Really?

Yes. Tbh I suspect I was exaggerating the benefits.

[Bill]

There's not much to expand on. It's knee jerk sound bite politics from a Muppet. As someone has said I'm fairly sure every terror attack in Europe has been committed by people with the right to be here.

[zygalski]

Digga said:

Joking aside, a lot of the left continue to mock the idea that lone wolf attacks were credible...

Link please.

[scherzkeks]

RYH64E said:

I bet those three Americans have done more to enhance their country's reputation, especially in France, than any diplomat in history. Not since the Normandy landings has America had such good press.

Even if they were late to the party again.

[Digga]

zygalski said:

Digga said:

Joking aside, a lot of the left continue to mock the idea that lone wolf attacks were credible...

Link please.

Not the first time and still at it, even after this attack: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/distu...

I'm not really sure what it is about lone wolf attacks that they don't understand or accept, but they keep ploughing this ridiculous furrow.

FWIW the Guardian's argument that radicalisation is social and intractible is not wrong, but I still think they underestimate the resolve of certain 'self-starters'.

Edited by Digga on Tuesday 25th August 11:11

[Pesty]

drivetrain said:

Wow.

Little or no benefit? Really?

Would you rather be slightly inconvenienced by a chap asking for a passport or other suitable ID or would you rather run the risk of being severely 'inconvenienced' by some nutbag with a gun?

Did this guy not have valid I'd?

[walm]

Pesty said:

drivetrain said:

Wow.

Little or no benefit? Really?

Would you rather be slightly inconvenienced by a chap asking for a passport or other suitable ID or would you rather run the risk of being severely 'inconvenienced' by some nutbag with a gun?

Did this guy not have valid I'd?

Exactly - Lee Rigby certainly benefited from our passport control.

[otolith]

Could mainland Europe realistically control its internal borders at all?

[Cobnapint]

otolith said:

Could mainland Europe realistically control its internal borders at all?

Nope, they would have to check inside every artic, bus, car boot and van etc - just not practical without bringing Europe to a stand......unless each border post had about 100 border agency staff on each shift, but who's gonna pay for that up front, even though it would still probably be cheaper in the long term.

[Scuffers]

Cobnapint said:

otolith said:

Could mainland Europe realistically control its internal borders at all?

Nope, they would have to check inside every artic, bus, car boot and van etc - just not practical without bringing Europe to a stand......unless each border post had about 100 border agency staff on each shift, but who's gonna pay for that up front, even though it would still probably be cheaper in the long term.

you seem to forget we used to have proper border controls no that long ago.

hell, I remember being stopped at the France/Belgian border a few times driving though.

people keep going on about it would be doomsday to reinstate border controls, and whilst I am sure it's not trivial, it's most certainly do-able, every other country in the world manages it OK.

Look at the border between US and Canada or Mexico, they are policed yet trade still flourishes.

[Langweilig]

hora said:

The mans defence Solicitor needs to have a word with herself.

He found the guns in the park.

Righty-o luv.

For those three men though- fking A! Go Spencer go! One shouted. Chapeau.

For once 'Team America' didnt destroy Paris

Deja Vu, I think when you consider what happened at the trial of Lee Rigby's murderers. They were caught on camera and admitted to passers-by to the murder, still with weapons in hand and covered in blood.

And their defence counsel said to the jury, "I hope you'll find these men not guilty".

[Zod]

Langweilig said:

hora said:

The mans defence Solicitor needs to have a word with herself.

He found the guns in the park.

Righty-o luv.

For those three men though- fking A! Go Spencer go! One shouted. Chapeau.

For once 'Team America' didnt destroy Paris

Deja Vu, I think when you consider what happened at the trial of Lee Rigby's murderers. They were caught on camera and admitted to passers-by to the murder, still with weapons in hand and covered in blood.

And their defence counsel said to the jury, "I hope you'll find these men not guilty".

Have you read any reports of the trial? No defence was offered. The defence counsel was not arguing that they were not guilty, but that a different charge, such as manslaughter or treason would have been appropriate.

He used some odd hyperbole and his arguments were nonsensical, but he was not trying to claim that they didn't do it.

[rohrl]

Langweilig said:

hora said:

The mans defence Solicitor needs to have a word with herself.

He found the guns in the park.

Righty-o luv.

For those three men though- fking A! Go Spencer go! One shouted. Chapeau.

For once 'Team America' didnt destroy Paris

Deja Vu, I think when you consider what happened at the trial of Lee Rigby's murderers. They were caught on camera and admitted to passers-by to the murder, still with weapons in hand and covered in blood.

And their defence counsel said to the jury, "I hope you'll find these men not guilty".

That's the defence's job. They would be struck off if they appeared for the defence and said "Although my client pleads innocent he's clearly guilty and if I were you I'd convict him."

It's just an artifact of the adversarial legal system and overall I'd argue that it's a better system than the alternatives.

[Vaud]

rohrl said:

That's the defence's job. They would be struck off if they appeared for the defence and said "Although my client pleads innocent he's clearly guilty and if I were you I'd convict him."

It's just an artifact of the adversarial legal system and overall I'd argue that it's a better system than the alternatives.

Quite.

[Burwood]

He did indeed purchase a ticket. First Class at that. His purchased that day mobile was used to watch Islamist jihad videos moments before boarding. I guess his lawyer will now say, oh, he found the cash and phone in the bag too.

[Pesty]

Scuffers said:

you seem to forget we used to have proper border controls no that long ago.

hell, I remember being stopped at the France/Belgian border a few times driving though.

people keep going on about it would be doomsday to reinstate border controls, and whilst I am sure it's not trivial, it's most certainly do-able, every other country in the world manages it OK.

Look at the border between US and Canada or Mexico, they are policed yet trade still flourishes.

They did. On the roads.

[rohrl]

Scuffers said:

Look at the border between US and Canada or Mexico, they are policed yet trade still flourishes.

That border control between Mexico and the US is pretty effective at stopping illegal migrants and contraband isn't it?

[///ajd]

Burwood said:

He did indeed purchase a ticket. First Class at that. His purchased that day mobile was used to watch Islamist jihad videos moments before boarding. I guess his lawyer will now say, oh, he found the cash and phone in the bag too.

Interesting that so much detail is in the public domain already. Is this in the French press?