Gun man overpowered on train

[Burwood]

///ajd said:

Burwood said:

He did indeed purchase a ticket. First Class at that. His purchased that day mobile was used to watch Islamist jihad videos moments before boarding. I guess his lawyer will now say, oh, he found the cash and phone in the bag too.

Interesting that so much detail is in the public domain already. Is this in the French press?

No idea but it's googled

[///ajd]

further info in french press:

he didn't take an earlier train that had seats
the gun was not an AK47, but various parts of an east german type AKM gun
he listened to jihadi songs on the train itself on the mobile he activated that day

[gruffalo]

rohrl said:

Scuffers said:

Look at the border between US and Canada or Mexico, they are policed yet trade still flourishes.

That border control between Mexico and the US is pretty effective at stopping illegal migrants and contraband isn't it?

Boarder controls would not directly prevent something like this happening but they would be another method of tracking movement and the intelligence community can use this information to better understand when an attack may take place and mitigate accordingly.

[Cobnapint]

Scuffers said:

Cobnapint said:

otolith said:

Could mainland Europe realistically control its internal borders at all?

Nope, they would have to check inside every artic, bus, car boot and van etc - just not practical without bringing Europe to a stand......unless each border post had about 100 border agency staff on each shift, but who's gonna pay for that up front, even though it would still probably be cheaper in the long term.

You seem to forget we used to have proper border controls no that long ago.

hell, I remember being stopped at the France/Belgian border a few times driving though.

people keep going on about it would be doomsday to reinstate border controls, and whilst I am sure it's not trivial, it's most certainly do-able, every other country in the world manages it OK.

Look at the border between US and Canada or Mexico, they are policed yet trade still flourishes.

I remember them well, but I'm with you, bring 'em back, as long as it's resourced properly and records are kept of those travelling in/out, just like what happens when you travel to the USA etc.

It still won't stop the determined illegals being smuggled around the sides though, in the middle of nowhere.

[Bill]

Cobnapint said:

It still won't stop the determined illegals being smuggled around the sides though, in the middle of nowhere.

So it's pointless, no? If we are going to spend a vast sum of money on something then surely it should be something that might help.

[grand cherokee]

///ajd said:

further info in french press:

he didn't take an earlier train that had seats
the gun was not an AK47, but various parts of an east german type AKM gun
he listened to jihadi songs on the train itself on the mobile he activated that day

the AKM is just an updated version of the AK47

[RYH64E]

Cobnapint said:

I remember them well, but I'm with you, bring 'em back, as long as it's resourced properly and records are kept of those travelling in/out, just like what happens when you travel to the USA etc.

It still won't stop the determined illegals being smuggled around the sides though, in the middle of nowhere.

A token effort may be do-able, but to be effective would mean properly searching every car, van and lorry that passes through the crossing, that's not realistically possible. Even the crossing into and out of the UK at Calais isn't particularly rigorous, I came back from France on the ferry earlier this month and was just waved through.

Even when the authorities do make a strenuous effort to check passengers it descends into farce, has airport security ever achieved anything other than amassing a huge collection of confiscated nail clippers, penknives, and bottles of water, or embarrassing travelers by making them walk through shoeless when they've got a big hole in their sock (which caused much schoolboy amusement when a very proper female colleague of mine did the walk of shame at Heathrow recently).

[Langweilig]

///ajd said:

further info in french press:

he didn't take an earlier train that had seats
the gun was not an AK47, but various parts of an east german type AKM gun
he listened to jihadi songs on the train itself on the mobile he activated that day

And from Radio 5 Live, he was carrying a bottle filled with petrol. Dear, oh dear. Some people will drink anything. I suppose he found that under a bush as well.

[BlackLabel]

Sad news.

twitter said:

CBS Evening News ‏@CBSEveningNews 11 mins11 minutes ago

BREAKING: French train attack hero Spencer Stone was repeatedly stabbed last night, is in critical condition, @CBSNews has learned

[Burwood]

sounds like he was being the step in guy again. Tough bd though. Stabbed 4 times and his heart and lung took a hit. Stable apparently despite police thinking he was toast

[so called]

Just seen this. Hope he will come through.

[MrBarry123]

This bloke needs to be a SEAL or in Pararescue - tough motherfker.

Alternatively, he's just unlucky.

[greygoose]

He seems to be in the wrong place at the wrong time a lot, could have a whole series of films made about him.