US Journalists Shot Dead On Air

[MrBrightSi]

Blaster72 said:

AJL308 said:

MrBarry123 said:

Just watched both the camera POV and shooter POV videos on LiveLeak.

Jesus Christ. Horrible. Neither stood a chance, completely unaware.

I find it quite repulsive that people choose to seek out and watch st like this, to be honest. I have absolutely zero desire to see it.

That's even before you get into any discussion about how it just fuels the next fktard nutter.

Every time something like this comes up the ghouls come out and start sharing and watching what are essentially snuff movies, I don't understand it either and never will. Like the beheading videos, I've no idea why someone would want to seek this video out and sit at home watching it.

Some people are just wired up differently to you and me I guess.

We're bombarded in the media constantly by over the top glorified killing, in films/shows/games. People need to see the fruits of real violence, they need to see how your light can be snuffed so easily. By raising a generation on COD and stupid over the top horror films, you're showing them complete tosh and god forbid thats all they ever see.

Stuff like this video and other stuff is horrible, sickening and wrong but it is how your life can end in violence truly. Until people realize we're fragile pieces of meat on a semi-sturdy frame you're not going to get any sort of sensitivity, look at all the action films etc that glorify the kill.

This stuff is beyond ghoulish but so many people revel in fake death nowadays an injection of the reality of it is the only way to dispel the bullst we push.

[JumboBeef]

I read somewhere (when I was researching something else) that you are 35x more likely to die from a gun shot wound in the USA than you are in the UK. Yep, of course more guns will fix this.

(includes murders, suicides and accidents).

[jshell]

The guns in the US is an issue. A serious one. But, there seems to be something in the psyche of the population that 'allows' thoughts of extreme violence to manifest into action. Don't really see it so much in the rest of the civilised world, but murder is a viable outcome in sooooooo many cases. The guns just seem to make that action/outcome easier.

[Zod]

walm said:

Wishful thinking, sadly.
Gun nuts already saying that obviously the reporter and cameraman should have been packing, that would have saved them.

Yes, I'm sure she could have performed a quick draw, Wild West style, and shot him between the eyes, the moment she saw him point his pistol at her.

Idiots.

[Digga]

jshell said:

The guns in the US is an issue. A serious one. But, there seems to be something in the psyche of the population that 'allows' thoughts of extreme violence to manifest into action. Don't really see it so much in the rest of the civilised world, but murder is a viable outcome in sooooooo many cases. The guns just seem to make that action/outcome easier.

ISWYM. I do love the USA and have spent a lot of time in a very wide variety of parts - both coasts and cities as well as back-of-bugger-all places - and seen some very contrasting things; kindness and generosity the like of which is very humbling, but also meanness and thuggery that has no place in any civilised society, especially when the perpetrator is wearing a uniform of the State.

I think the politeness to the point of almost being facetious or obsequious is telling; in part a positive that depicts courtesy and friendliness, but also a negative that acknowledges what you allude to; that people can take offence and situations can escalate very quickly.

Better than my experince was the account of a round the world cycle trip I read, by Mark Beaumont. He circumnavigated the globe, through the Middle East and into Pakistan and said, that despite problems and concerns elsewhere, in all honesty, he never felt more threatened than in the USA.

[drophead]

Ste1987 said:

S10GTA said:

That graph is really interesting, showing the peaks and troughs. You can clearly see the 9/11 effect. but what are the other spikes?

For the previous spike, wasn't that around the time of the first attack on the WTC?

Not to mention the LA riots, crack epidemic plus a recession and the 1st Gulf War.

[9mm]

Sheets Tabuer said:

AJL308 said:

I find it quite repulsive that people choose to seek out and watch st like this

I'm a very sensitive soul but I've seen some horrors in my life, I firmly believe people need to see stuff, from this to ISIS throwing people off buildings. People need to squirm, they need to see the horror man does so they do something about it.

How many of the people watching beheadings, shootings and gays being thrown off buildings do you think get off their fat arses and 'do something about it'?

You know the answer - feck all. It's just a kind of voyeurism.

[Butter Face]

I started watching the video on liveleak but had to turn it off when he raised the gun. Just madness that he would film himself doing such a thing, it's a crazy old world

[dub16v]

Butter Face said:

I started watching the video on liveleak but had to turn it off when he raised the gun. Just madness that he would film himself doing such a thing, it's a crazy old world

I did exactly the same thing. Asked myself in the split second before he pressed the trigger whether I wanted to see this or not.

I didn't.

[Pebbles167]

I don't think there is anything wrong with watching the video, although it's obviously not very pleasant viewing.

He must have had some sort of anger or emotional disorder to decide this was the best course of action. I wonder if he'd have bothered at all if he didn't have access to a gun?

[glazbagun]

Ste1987 said:

S10GTA said:

That graph is really interesting, showing the peaks and troughs. You can clearly see the 9/11 effect. but what are the other spikes?

For the previous spike, wasn't that around the time of the first attack on the WTC?

The spike seems to come from the reversal of a trough just before each new president. Almost as though each election drives people to join/rejoin the NRA. Campaign drive to donate to pro-gun candidates? I wonder if membership to lobbying/pressure groups over here follows the same pattern.

Edited by glazbagun on Thursday 27th August 11:35

[unrepentant]

S10GTA said:

That graph is really interesting, showing the peaks and troughs. You can clearly see the 9/11 effect. but what are the other spikes?

It also shows that NRA membership is consistently tiny, about 1% of the population. Never did such a small group have such a disproportionate influence due to their buying up of republican politicians.

CNN was buzzer to bell on this last night, ridiculous. They had an expert on at one point who shocked them by pointing out that theirs and others coverage merely encouraged these nutters. The "oxygen of publicity" etc...

[Janluke]

Pebbles167 said:

I don't think there is anything wrong with watching the video, although it's obviously not very pleasant viewing.

I chose not to watch for the same reason I don't watch any of the ISIS videos. He wanted people to watch it and I don't want to be a part of it. I know its makes very little difference and I certainly don't judge anyone who does want to watch. Interestingly I did watch the Hawker Hunter crash videos, not to see the "point of death" but to see exactly what happened.

I find the story shocking enough and actually take comfort from the fact it upsets me, that despite all the horrors going on in the world I'm not yet desensitised by it all.

[MrBarry123]

9mm said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

AJL308 said:

I find it quite repulsive that people choose to seek out and watch st like this

I'm a very sensitive soul but I've seen some horrors in my life, I firmly believe people need to see stuff, from this to ISIS throwing people off buildings. People need to squirm, they need to see the horror man does so they do something about it.

How many of the people watching beheadings, shootings and gays being thrown off buildings do you think get off their fat arses and 'do something about it'?

You know the answer - feck all. It's just a kind of voyeurism.

It's not about people going all Rambo and "doing something".

It's about changing people's attitudes towards guns and the crime in general. If all high-school children in the US were shown that video - proof of how a right to bear arms means innocent civilians can be massacred quite easily - I'm sure a large proportion of them would change their attitude towards guns.

[glazbagun]

MrBrightSi said:

We're bombarded in the media constantly by over the top glorified killing, in films/shows/games. People need to see the fruits of real violence, they need to see how your light can be snuffed so easily. By raising a generation on COD and stupid over the top horror films, you're showing them complete tosh and god forbid thats all they ever see.

Stuff like this video and other stuff is horrible, sickening and wrong but it is how your life can end in violence truly. Until people realize we're fragile pieces of meat on a semi-sturdy frame you're not going to get any sort of sensitivity, look at all the action films etc that glorify the kill.

This stuff is beyond ghoulish but so many people revel in fake death nowadays an injection of the reality of it is the only way to dispel the bullst we push.

I agree largely. Though I think it's one of those things where some will sit in solemn shock/contemplation about the meaning of it all, where others will whoop and laugh at the spectacle.

I think it's uncomfortable reality. If I ruled the world, kids would be taken to abattoirs to see how their meals live and die. Not because I'd want them to become vegan, but to show them how life is and what the hidden consequences of our actions are. As a kid I remember being shown the World at War and other old footage in school (where you could clearly see dead people after a battle) and not really knowing what to feel about that, but I still think of the dead, raped and starvig people of trashed Europe decades later.

I think the news and entertainment industry's treatment of death and tragedy has largely become so formulaic these days as to desensitize us to the horrors they actually are. Our indifference to the suffering of others is pretty amazing. When I hear on the radio of a thousand people dying in the med trying to flee the ME/Africa, it doesn't even register. But I'll bet I couldn't last five mins in a room with a survivor without blubbing like a drunk.

[JumboBeef]

On the ABCNews website, they have this story. The woman's father talks about his loss and how he is going to campaign for tighter gun laws.

One of the comments:

nutjob said:

Come and take it. I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaks volumes about the mentality (and mental stability....?) of some gun owners......

[qube_TA]

walm said:

Wishful thinking, sadly.
Gun nuts already saying that obviously the reporter and cameraman should have been packing, that would have saved them.

They didn't see him sneak up on them though so wouldn't have helped

[Crush]

Pebbles167 said:

I don't think there is anything wrong with watching the video, although it's obviously not very pleasant viewing.

He must have had some sort of anger or emotional disorder to decide this was the best course of action. I wonder if he'd have bothered at all if he didn't have access to a gun?

From news articles it appears he was fired and asked to seek medical help for becoming increasingly odd in the workplace.

In his faxed note he blames the recent black church shooting for tipping him over the edge.

[bullies180]

JumboBeef said:

On the ABCNews website, they have this story. The woman's father talks about his loss and how he is going to campaign for tighter gun laws.

One of the comments:

nutjob said:

Come and take it. I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaks volumes about the mentality (and mental stability....?) of some gun owners......

Americans! They're so silly, i'm still surprised they are not fictional!

[s3fella]

JumboBeef said:

On the ABCNews website, they have this story. The woman's father talks about his loss and how he is going to campaign for tighter gun laws.

One of the comments:

nutjob said:

Come and take it. I DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaks volumes about the mentality (and mental stability....?) of some gun owners......

Presumably one just has to creep up behind him whilst he is distracted, pump 7 rounds into him while he screams, then remove the gun from his holster, pocket, car, house etc..? Easy.

Anyone who needs guidance, there is an online video showing how easy it is..........


FFS some people are such 'tards