US Journalists Shot Dead On Air
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Gunman: 'I'm Surprised I Didn't Do This Before'
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gunman-im-surp...
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gunman-im-surp...
MrBarry123 said:
It's not about people going all Rambo and "doing something".
It's about changing people's attitudes towards guns and the crime in general. If all high-school children in the US were shown that video - proof of how a right to bear arms means innocent civilians can be massacred quite easily - I'm sure a large proportion of them would change their attitude towards guns.
Do you think that LiveLeak isn't available to high school kids in the US then?It's about changing people's attitudes towards guns and the crime in general. If all high-school children in the US were shown that video - proof of how a right to bear arms means innocent civilians can be massacred quite easily - I'm sure a large proportion of them would change their attitude towards guns.
Hand-wringing and trying to change the attitude is futile and pointless. Firearms ownership by the populace became irreversible from a practical standpoint generations ago. It's a done-deal.
I suspect the main objection that sane, level-headed and responsible firearm owners have to the concept of giving up their guns is that then, only the insane, criminal and irresponsible will be armed - and that isn't a reasonable trade-off.
As mentioned earlier, the GOP has been 'bought' by a disproportionally tiny, but very well funded lobby and that seems to perpetuate the lack of any kind of control in the supply of weapons to those likely to use them inappropriately.
It's way too late to 'ban' them - and quite unenforceable anyway - felons are not allowed to possess firearms, by law in this country. That law doesn't work all that well.
An inescapable aspect of living in this society is that firearm ownership is a part of that society - and comes with an enormous human cost. If that is an unacceptable aspect, then the only option is to not come here. Those who are here and have the option to leave (me included) can and may do so as they see fit.
Those I feel sorry for, are terrified by the prospect of hundreds of millions of firearms in society, with no means of bailing on that society. Thing is, I'm not sure there are that many of them...
Digga said:
A little more detail here: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shoo...
Bridgewater Plaza... wonder if there's a snackbar nearby?
Prejudice got the better of you?Bridgewater Plaza... wonder if there's a snackbar nearby?
Why do we always have this knee jerk reaction to gun crime in the US. There are over 300 million guns in the US and it will take 2 generations or more to see any effect of a gun ban.
In my home country where citizens are banned from owning guns (except hunting guns), I was a victim of armed home invasions 3 times in a 6 month period. On 2 of the 3 occassions I would have been able to take out the robbers if I was armed with a pistol.
Taking guns out of the hands of citizens will leave criminals with a the guns and jn a country like the US where there are so many bloodthirsty crims, the citizens will be at their mercy.
Whilst I understand the reporter's fathers grief, he didnt make a lot of sense. He said he supports the 2nd amendment but wanted the government to take guns away from crazys. Under current legislation and whatever he may propose, this killer would still be able to buy a gun. Being angry all the time and always playing the race card is not/will not become a reason to refuse someone the ownership of a gun.
In my home country where citizens are banned from owning guns (except hunting guns), I was a victim of armed home invasions 3 times in a 6 month period. On 2 of the 3 occassions I would have been able to take out the robbers if I was armed with a pistol.
Taking guns out of the hands of citizens will leave criminals with a the guns and jn a country like the US where there are so many bloodthirsty crims, the citizens will be at their mercy.
Whilst I understand the reporter's fathers grief, he didnt make a lot of sense. He said he supports the 2nd amendment but wanted the government to take guns away from crazys. Under current legislation and whatever he may propose, this killer would still be able to buy a gun. Being angry all the time and always playing the race card is not/will not become a reason to refuse someone the ownership of a gun.
Matt Harper said:
I suspect the main objection that sane, level-headed and responsible firearm owners have to the concept of giving up their guns is that then, only the insane, criminal and irresponsible will be armed - and that isn't a reasonable trade-off.
Even though that is how the rest of the world works and gun deaths per capita are FAR lower.It's a lame NIMBY argument that doesn't pass the first hurdle, or any hurdle.
Studies show, "for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides".
Banning guns would be a good thing, there just aren't two ways about it.
Edited by walm on Thursday 27th August 17:14
Harry H said:
It's convincing the Americans to give them up though which is impossible as underneath they're all bats
t crazy. They just look sane on the surface. It's just a thin venire though and you don't have to scratch to deep to bring out the nutter in all of them.
Gun ownership is falling, only 35percent of Americans own a gun.t crazy. They just look sane on the surface. It's just a thin venire though and you don't have to scratch to deep to bring out the nutter in all of them.
walm said:
Even though that is how the rest of the world works and gun deaths per capita are FAR lower.
It's a lame NIMBY argument that doesn't pass the first hurdle, or any hurdle.
Studies show, "for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides".
Banning guns would be a good thing, there just aren't two ways about it.
Rest of the world, where, exactly? Where else in the world is the general populace unarmed, but the criminal fraternity is armed?It's a lame NIMBY argument that doesn't pass the first hurdle, or any hurdle.
Studies show, "for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides".
Banning guns would be a good thing, there just aren't two ways about it.
Edited by walm on Thursday 27th August 17:14
"Studies show" that the mentally incompetent/compromised/unhinged and the felonious are the ones doing pretty much all of the shooting. A fairly standard psychological evaluation and criminal history check would go some way to preventing legal acquisition of firearms by those who are not fit to own them.
The particular lunatic who perpetrated this latest slaying would have been weeded-out by a psych evaluation, having applied to purchase the gun he used after recently being dismissed from his job and a mere 2 days post-NC church murders.
The bad news is that any action taken now, does not mitigate the firearms in the wrong hands now. That is the troublesome conundrum.
Your suggestion of simply "banning guns (being a good thing)" is rather like "Santa Claus would be a good thing". How do you go about "banning guns", please?
Matt Harper said:
How do you go about "banning guns", please?
I am not a law talking guy but presumably you pass a piece of legislation that says "gun ownership and the sale of guns is now illegal".It's got to be more practically applicable than "force a fat man down chimneys with presents for the kids once a year".
Obviously you might need the rare exception such as the military and genuine sportsmen.
walm said:
I am not a law talking guy but presumably you pass a piece of legislation that says "gun ownership and the sale of guns is now illegal".
It's got to be more practically applicable than "force a fat man down chimneys with presents for the kids once a year".
Obviously you might need the rare exception such as the military and genuine sportsmen.
That won't work because unlike in the UK when many guns were bought by the government in 1997 and 1998 and destroyed, that was possible because they had been previously registered and were known to the government.It's got to be more practically applicable than "force a fat man down chimneys with presents for the kids once a year".
Obviously you might need the rare exception such as the military and genuine sportsmen.
In the US, people who have guns that aren't registered (bought in states where there was no requirement to do so) could simply not give their guns in.
So then there would still many many, many unknown guns out there.
walm said:
And a frankly astonishingly unlucky one at that.
My late dad lost and eye on one of this home invasions. And if you care to know my family was subject to other invasions at home and at work, car jackings and street muggings. We werent unlucky, it just comes with the territory.
Plonker
What st tip do you live in then?
And a frankly astonishingly unlucky one at that.Easy to sit in the comfort of your home in the UK posting stupid memes to real life problems. You wouldnt last 24 hours in the city where I am from.
My late dad lost and eye on one of this home invasions. And if you care to know my family was subject to other invasions at home and at work, car jackings and street muggings. We werent unlucky, it just comes with the territory.
Plonker
t tip do you live in then?Eclassy said:
walm said:
And a frankly astonishingly unlucky one at that.
My late dad lost and eye on one of this home invasions. And if you care to know my family was subject to other invasions at home and at work, car jackings and street muggings. We werent unlucky, it just comes with the territory.
Plonker
Eclassy said:
Easy to sit in the comfort of your home in the UK posting stupid memes to real life problems. You wouldnt last 24 hours in the city where I am from.
My late dad lost and eye on one of this home invasions. And if you care to know my family was subject to other invasions at home and at work, car jackings and street muggings. We werent unlucky, it just comes with the territory.
Plonker
jeez mate couldnt you have moved sooner.My late dad lost and eye on one of this home invasions. And if you care to know my family was subject to other invasions at home and at work, car jackings and street muggings. We werent unlucky, it just comes with the territory.
Plonker
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