US Journalists Shot Dead On Air

[Beati Dogu]

BoRED S2upid said:

Walmart are removing machine guns from there store. Not as a result of this latest shooting but because demand had dropped they are understandably selling more handguns!

Walmart haven't sold handguns for a long time (20+ years), apart from in Alaska.

I highly doubt they're really stopping sales of AR-15 like carbines due to falling sales. Sounds like a political / management decision to me, which is understandable. By all accounts they're selling well and being such a highly modular weapon, many people prefer to build their own anyway.

[Oakey]

Ironically, the very people arguing there should be more mental health checks to prevent 'the crazies' obtaining firearms seem, to me, exactly the sort of people who would fail said test. In my opinion.

[London424]

Oakey said:

Ironically, the very people arguing there should be more mental health checks to prevent 'the crazies' obtaining firearms seem, to me, exactly the sort of people who would fail said test. In my opinion.

The thing with that (mental health checks) is the problem is that unfortunately that changes over time. So Joe Bloggs can walk into a shop today, pass all the checks. Next week, something changes, he goes postal.

[walm]

London424 said:

The thing with that (mental health checks) is the problem is that unfortunately that changes over time. So Joe Bloggs can walk into a shop today, pass all the checks. Next week, something changes, he goes postal.

Wait, so these tests can't predict the future?
Why bother having them at all?
Just give guns to everyone. /s

The rather obvious fact is that you can't stop crazy or future-crazy people getting hold of guns and going postal.
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't at least TRY to stop them!

[croyde]

Do Canadians have the same easy access to guns that the Americans do? I'm sure I read once that many in Canada possess pistols and rifles yet they don't seem to go round killing each other with the same frequency as the Americans do.

There are other countries in the world where gun ownership is normal yet they don't keep shooting up schools or shopping malls.

[Oakey]

London424 said:

The thing with that (mental health checks) is the problem is that unfortunately that changes over time. So Joe Bloggs can walk into a shop today, pass all the checks. Next week, something changes, he goes postal.

Well yes, exactly. These people seem unable to comprehend that everyone can be susceptible to mental illness at any time in their life.

[aeropilot]

creampuff said:

Since the banning of handguns in the UK, the rate of gun crime in the UK has gone up, not down.

But.....but.....but.....media and Govt said we'd all be safer, blah, blah

[aeropilot]

creampuff said:

jshell said:

They were, but it's a small sample. It also perhaps helps explain the relative mental stability levels between Europeans and Americans.

This is not an anti-US rant, I just think their society/environment has developed certain views/beliefs/illnesses/problems in large numbers of people. That, I believe is more behind shootings than the child-simple belief that access to guns is the driving factor.

Europe produces far many disaffected young men who go off and join ISIS than the United States does. Don't give me this US is full of unstable mentally ill people when Europe is the breeding ground for large numbers of ISIS recruits and the US basically isn't, despite also having a large muslim population.

And there's a very good reason that is the case...........

[mcdjl]

creampuff said:

walm said:

So if it's gangbangers killing gangbangers all the time, just ban guns and no one is any worse off.

Like I said, arguments of lets ban guns are a waste of screen space as the right to bear arms is in the constitution.

In a well regulated militia. You have the right to bear arms, you just have to turn up to militia training to be allowed to do so. Sorted....maybe.

[jshell]

creampuff said:

jshell said:

They were, but it's a small sample. It also perhaps helps explain the relative mental stability levels between Europeans and Americans.

This is not an anti-US rant, I just think their society/environment has developed certain views/beliefs/illnesses/problems in large numbers of people. That, I believe is more behind shootings than the child-simple belief that access to guns is the driving factor.

Europe produces far many disaffected young men who go off and join ISIS than the United States does. Don't give me this US is full of unstable mentally ill people when Europe is the breeding ground for large numbers of ISIS recruits and the US basically isn't, despite also having a large muslim population.

GTFO! The comparison of a bunch of disaffected ,politically radicalised idiots versus an enduring national psyche is disingenuous and miniscule. The whole US gun-culture, insecurity bred aggression, and general tendency towards violence from the mass shootings to the utterly mental 'preppers' & survivalists, religious right-wing nutters etc shows deep socially inherent problems. The number of people willing to shoot strangers, school-kids, news reporters, cinema goers and even more school kids speaks volumes. There's also been mass shootings in the US by radicalised individuals...

[jshell]

Beati Dogu said:

Walmart haven't sold handguns for a long time (20+ years), apart from in Alaska.

...and Houston. At least when I was there in around 2009 browsing the handguns near Katy Mills.

[YankeePorker]

I recall reading somewhere that around 2/3rds of the annual gun death tally in the US are suicides. That's the other aspect of gun availability, it gives the people passing a "bad patch" an extremely efficient way of topping themselves, making certain that a bout of depression ends badly.

Everyone goes through a bad patch now and then, allowing them a tool to kill themselves with on the spur of the moment is a pretty brutal means of population control.

[creampuff]

mcdjl said:

In a well regulated militia. You have the right to bear arms, you just have to turn up to militia training to be allowed to do so. Sorted....maybe.

The constitutional meaning of "militia" was addressed by the Supreme Court when they overturned state lawn restricting handguns. The constitutional meaning of militia is individual citizens bearing arms and not an organised group of civilians. Individual citizens bearing arms is a constitutional right. That is the end of the story and changing the constitution would be practically impossible, nor do Americans want the constitution changed.

[walm]

creampuff said:

...nor do Americans want the constitution changed.

Maybe not but the majority want stricter gun control laws: http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm
(Latest poll shows 52% want stricter laws.)
They're not ALL morons.

[creampuff]

jshell said:

GTFO! The comparison of a bunch of disaffected ,politically radicalised idiots versus an enduring national psyche is disingenuous and miniscule. The whole US gun-culture, insecurity bred aggression, and general tendency towards violence from the mass shootings to the utterly mental 'preppers' & survivalists, religious right-wing nutters etc shows deep socially inherent problems. The number of people willing to shoot strangers, school-kids, news reporters, cinema goers and even more school kids speaks volumes. There's also been mass shootings in the US by radicalised individuals...

Seems to me that European bred jihadis kill a lot more people than either US bred jihadis, of which there are few, or US gun owners.

Some jihadis tried to shoot up a Texas gathering of Mohammed satirists recently. Bad move. There are a lot of guns in Texas and predictably the jihadis got shot dead.

[Alfa numeric]

creampuff said:

walm said:

THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE AMENDED.
THERE'S LOADS OF AMENDMENTS.
27!

Sure, it's not easy. But isn't it worth trying? (Again?)

No amendment has ever cancelled a previous amendment.

Are you sure? Prohibition was enabled by the eighteenth amendment and was repealed by the twenty first amendment.

[9mm]

MrBarry123 said:

9mm said:

Sheets Tabuer said:

AJL308 said:

I find it quite repulsive that people choose to seek out and watch st like this

I'm a very sensitive soul but I've seen some horrors in my life, I firmly believe people need to see stuff, from this to ISIS throwing people off buildings. People need to squirm, they need to see the horror man does so they do something about it.

How many of the people watching beheadings, shootings and gays being thrown off buildings do you think get off their fat arses and 'do something about it'?

You know the answer - feck all. It's just a kind of voyeurism.

It's not about people going all Rambo and "doing something".

It's about changing people's attitudes towards guns and the crime in general. If all high-school children in the US were shown that video - proof of how a right to bear arms means innocent civilians can be massacred quite easily - I'm sure a large proportion of them would change their attitude towards guns.

Oh really? Sorry, I don't buy it for one minute. People get off on it, like watching a gory movie. Shame they can't admit it.

If it did motivate people to 'do something' I might be more sympathetic but the most anyone would do is likely to post on an internet forum or start a faceache page.

[walm]

9mm said:

Oh really? Sorry, I don't buy it for one minute. People get off on it, like watching a gory movie. Shame they can't admit it.

If it did motivate people to 'do something' I might be more sympathetic but the most anyone would do is likely to post on an internet forum or start a faceache page.

I am conflicted by your username but agree with you!

[Oakey]

creampuff said:

The constitutional meaning of "militia" was addressed by the Supreme Court when they overturned state lawn restricting handguns. The constitutional meaning of militia is individual citizens bearing arms and not an organised group of civilians. Individual citizens bearing arms is a constitutional right. That is the end of the story and changing the constitution would be practically impossible, nor do Americans want the constitution changed.

Thomas Jefferson didn't seem to think so

[London424]

walm said:

London424 said:

The thing with that (mental health checks) is the problem is that unfortunately that changes over time. So Joe Bloggs can walk into a shop today, pass all the checks. Next week, something changes, he goes postal.

Wait, so these tests can't predict the future?
Why bother having them at all?
Just give guns to everyone. /s

The rather obvious fact is that you can't stop crazy or future-crazy people getting hold of guns and going postal.
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't at least TRY to stop them!

I much prefer the guns to nobody route, but it's their country.