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creampuff said:
And going back to the anti-AR15 brigade: the AR stands for Armalite, not assault rifle, that being the original manufacturer.
There are a lot of reasons why you would own one. The ammo is cheap as centrefire ammo goes, the bullets have a relatively flat trajectory and there isn't much recoil. Such good reasons that you can legally buy AR15s in the UK. The difference between US models being that you have to cycle the bolt manually to chamber each round instead of being semi-auto.
Guns like the AR15 which fire the same 5.56 NATO bullets are popular in both the UK and US because they are versatile sporting guns.
I think the ban guns lobby on this thread should do more research before posting about banning stuff in the US which is legal even in the UK.
Doesn't matter what it's called. It is an assault rifle. Auto or semi auto. It is designed as it's primary function as an assault rifle. i.e. to kill people quickly and efficiently. Revolvers are a very different animal to self loading pistols that feature short trigger reset and large capacity magazines.There are a lot of reasons why you would own one. The ammo is cheap as centrefire ammo goes, the bullets have a relatively flat trajectory and there isn't much recoil. Such good reasons that you can legally buy AR15s in the UK. The difference between US models being that you have to cycle the bolt manually to chamber each round instead of being semi-auto.
Guns like the AR15 which fire the same 5.56 NATO bullets are popular in both the UK and US because they are versatile sporting guns.
I think the ban guns lobby on this thread should do more research before posting about banning stuff in the US which is legal even in the UK.
Don't get me wrong as you have appeared to lump me in with the anti gun crowd, I like guns, I use them regularly. I cannot fathom why you'd need semi auto or auto assault rifles in a non combat situation. (well, certain types of vermin hunting….) but, there's potential for loons to get them with not much reason and do so legally.
creampuff said:
More misinformation from the Americans are crazy/all guns are bad camp.
Automatic weapons are illegal in the US. The only auto weapons are the grandfathered ones around before they were banned.
Gotta hate those 'grandfathered' ones. So nice and friendly.Automatic weapons are illegal in the US. The only auto weapons are the grandfathered ones around before they were banned.
http://www.eastcoastfirearms.com/sub/page.asp?page...
But you know what? If i lived there would probably get myself one or similar.
mike9009 said:
jimmyjimjim said:
Semi-automatic AR15s chambered for .22 are also legal in the UK.
Great! Where can I get a couple for me and the missus? Argos? Tesco? Walmart?Your local gun shop is probably closer, though.
No Bend said:
Doesn't matter what it's called. It is an assault rifle. Auto or semi auto. It is designed as it's primary function as an assault rifle. i.e. to kill people quickly and efficiently. Revolvers are a very different animal to self loading pistols that feature short trigger reset and large capacity magazines.
Don't get me wrong as you have appeared to lump me in with the anti gun crowd, I like guns, I use them regularly. I cannot fathom why you'd need semi auto or auto assault rifles in a non combat situation. (well, certain types of vermin hunting….) but, there's potential for loons to get them with not much reason and do so legally.
AR15s perform the same function as other rifles, firing each time the trigger is pulled, which saves sporting shooters the requirement of manually operating the bolt, which may or may not be something you want to do. Don't get me wrong as you have appeared to lump me in with the anti gun crowd, I like guns, I use them regularly. I cannot fathom why you'd need semi auto or auto assault rifles in a non combat situation. (well, certain types of vermin hunting….) but, there's potential for loons to get them with not much reason and do so legally.
Do you not like AR15s because they look "military" and aren't made of wood?
How about something like this rifle?
creampuff said:
No Bend said:
Doesn't matter what it's called. It is an assault rifle. Auto or semi auto. It is designed as it's primary function as an assault rifle. i.e. to kill people quickly and efficiently. Revolvers are a very different animal to self loading pistols that feature short trigger reset and large capacity magazines.
Don't get me wrong as you have appeared to lump me in with the anti gun crowd, I like guns, I use them regularly. I cannot fathom why you'd need semi auto or auto assault rifles in a non combat situation. (well, certain types of vermin hunting….) but, there's potential for loons to get them with not much reason and do so legally.
AR15s perform the same function as other rifles, firing each time the trigger is pulled, which saves sporting shooters the requirement of manually operating the bolt, which may or may not be something you want to do. Don't get me wrong as you have appeared to lump me in with the anti gun crowd, I like guns, I use them regularly. I cannot fathom why you'd need semi auto or auto assault rifles in a non combat situation. (well, certain types of vermin hunting….) but, there's potential for loons to get them with not much reason and do so legally.
Do you not like AR15s because they look "military" and aren't made of wood?
How about something like this rifle?
No Bend said:
Who cares what brand or type. Assault rifles are designed for military purposes.
The point was the rifle in the pic is also a semi-automatic self-loader but fires even higher power cartridges than an AR15- but it is made of traditional wood and looks less "military" even though it would mess somebody up even more and from a greater distance if they were unfortunate enough to get shot by one than an "assault" AR15. jimmyjimjim said:
mike9009 said:
jimmyjimjim said:
Semi-automatic AR15s chambered for .22 are also legal in the UK.
Great! Where can I get a couple for me and the missus? Argos? Tesco? Walmart?Your local gun shop is probably closer, though.
scherzkeks said:
When you grow up in America, it makes more sense. It is a society built on hustling, it is obsessed with ownership and consumption, and it worships military culture and violence. The obsession with violence was something that I as an American didn't really get until I moved away. Regardless, this all sows the seeds for a deep mistrust and fear of others, at all socio-economic levels.
I think this is starting to get to the root of it. It's in the blood (sometimes literally), but a cultural pattern borne from frontiersmen back in the late 1700s (especially one condoning something so dangerous) really has no place in a civilised society in the 21st century (we are sending people to mars and redefing the genome on the other end of our extreme)scherzkeks said:
I've seen even the staunchest anti-gun types succumb to the "need" to own after a slight brush with danger. Personally, I think the root of the problem has less to do with gun laws and more with the national psyche.
This was on yesterday - I like Rich Hall but it explores Texas - how it came to be, some of its attitude, a little microcosm of what I perceive to be general US behaviour.http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b036lqsz
creampuff said:
gavsdavs said:
How many guns deaths do *you* think it will take for a change in attitude. It's as if every family has to lose someone and feel the pain for it to get critical mass, such is the inertia.
That's a ridiculous argument. Almost nobody, in comparison to the 150-million households have guns, has an incident involving a gun. Those that do are usually felons who are prohibited from owning guns or substance abusers. For "every family to lose someone" you would have to increase the rate of gun deaths by a factor of a hundred thousand. It is never going to happen any more than every car in the UK is suddenly going to crash and kill someone. I wish the second ammendment had been written with "trebuchet", or even "chainsaw" as the weapon of choice. The gun is a fantastically effective killing machine borne from a military and security need. Everything else we use them for (i.e sports) it simply an afterthought.
Not having these killing machines available to all would be a good first step. I'm sure you're now going to tell me that isn't the case and you're all very well behaved really, but what we regularly see in the press just doesn't tally up. It looks like the US has a problem that it should start to address.
mike9009 said:
jimmyjimjim said:
Semi-automatic AR15s chambered for .22 are also legal in the UK.
Great! Where can I get a couple for me and the missus? Argos? Tesco? Walmart?I was firing one of these in a small Thames Valley village a few months back. All perfectly legal.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Monday 31st August 18:46
creampuff said:
And going back to the anti-AR15 brigade: the AR stands for Armalite, not assault rifle, that being the original manufacturer.
There are a lot of reasons why you would own one. The ammo is cheap as centrefire ammo goes, the bullets have a relatively flat trajectory and there isn't much recoil. Such good reasons that you can legally buy AR15s in the UK. The difference between US models being that you have to cycle the bolt manually to chamber each round instead of being semi-auto.
Guns like the AR15 which fire the same 5.56 NATO bullets are popular in both the UK and US because they are versatile sporting guns.
I think the ban guns lobby on this thread should do more research before posting about banning stuff in the US which is legal even in the UK.
Why are you avoiding the issue of the mentally ill having easy access to guns? Thus thread was started as a result of yet another nutter with a gun.There are a lot of reasons why you would own one. The ammo is cheap as centrefire ammo goes, the bullets have a relatively flat trajectory and there isn't much recoil. Such good reasons that you can legally buy AR15s in the UK. The difference between US models being that you have to cycle the bolt manually to chamber each round instead of being semi-auto.
Guns like the AR15 which fire the same 5.56 NATO bullets are popular in both the UK and US because they are versatile sporting guns.
I think the ban guns lobby on this thread should do more research before posting about banning stuff in the US which is legal even in the UK.
gavsdavs said:
Not having these killing machines available to all would be a good first step. I'm sure you're now going to tell me that isn't the case and you're all very well behaved really, but what we regularly see in the press just doesn't tally up. It looks like the US has a problem that it should start to address.
This is why the NRA has so many members. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are "well behaved really" as you put it. You are welcome to take a look at the FBI website and see where and who uses guns illegally - and it is not your average gun owning suburban 9-to-5 American who is doing any illegal shooting. When you have millions of peaceful gun owners who have never pointed their gun at anybody and the shrill anti-gun brigade come along talking about "killing machines" and want to ban everything that they can, then peaceful gun owners join the NRA because the NRA is a good advocacy body. Now the NRA opposes any restriction on guns, which I think is a pretty bad idea. There could be a lot more done to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or criminal people and over half of Americans think this. But when you have anti-gun ownership posts like this, it just makes people join the NRA and oppose any form of restriction because of this over-the-top ban-everything brigade.
Every post about "killing machines" or "guns have no sporting use" (why is shooting in the Olympics then?) just makes gun owners dig their heels in and oppose any restriction, even if they themselves think more restrictions may be a good idea.
mike9009 said:
Brilliant - I live on the Isle of Wight - I did not realise you could get these legally. Can you tell me where my nearest store/ outlet is? Thanks
Here you go, nice and local to you:http://www.arnoldheal.co.uk/
Remember to bring along your firearms licence.
creampuff said:
gavsdavs said:
Not having these killing machines available to all would be a good first step. I'm sure you're now going to tell me that isn't the case and you're all very well behaved really, but what we regularly see in the press just doesn't tally up. It looks like the US has a problem that it should start to address.
This is why the NRA has so many members. The overwhelming majority of gun owners are "well behaved really" as you put it. You are welcome to take a look at the FBI website and see where and who uses guns illegally - and it is not your average gun owning suburban 9-to-5 American who is doing any illegal shooting. When you have millions of peaceful gun owners who have never pointed their gun at anybody and the shrill anti-gun brigade come along talking about "killing machines" and want to ban everything that they can, then peaceful gun owners join the NRA because the NRA is a good advocacy body. Now the NRA opposes any restriction on guns, which I think is a pretty bad idea. There could be a lot more done to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or criminal people and over half of Americans think this. But when you have anti-gun ownership posts like this, it just makes people join the NRA and oppose any form of restriction because of this over-the-top ban-everything brigade.
Every post about "killing machines" or "guns have no sporting use" (why is shooting in the Olympics then?) just makes gun owners dig their heels in and oppose any restriction, even if they themselves think more restrictions may be a good idea.
Dr Jekyll said:
http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/category/Guns/...
I was firing one of these in a small Thames Valley village a few months back. All perfectly legal.
Congratulations!I was firing one of these in a small Thames Valley village a few months back. All perfectly legal.
Edited by Dr Jekyll on Monday 31st August 18:46
jimmyjimjim said:
mike9009 said:
Brilliant - I live on the Isle of Wight - I did not realise you could get these legally. Can you tell me where my nearest store/ outlet is? Thanks
Here you go, nice and local to you:http://www.arnoldheal.co.uk/
Remember to bring along your firearms licence.
creampuff said:
Now the NRA opposes any restriction on guns, which I think is a pretty bad idea. There could be a lot more done to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill or criminal people and over half of Americans think this. But when you have anti-gun ownership posts like this, it just makes people join the NRA and oppose any form of restriction because of this over-the-top ban-everything brigade.
Hmm, because I think they're dangerous and are (to anyone but an american) visibly related to the amount of gun related mayhem in the US, I'm now an "anti-gun shrill".When one even mentions 'a discussion about gun control', NRA members loose their f
king minds and berate/smear the source of that comment. That isn't really a rational response, it's an obsessive one, more reminiscent of a substance addict.I'm trying to understand the desire to own one, not tell you that I want them banned across the board, but that's how you're reacting to me. Having a "healthy relationship" with your gun is something of an oxymoron.
Hey ho, with that, I will wind you up no more. It's like shooting fish in a barrel
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