US Journalists Shot Dead On Air

[Sonic]

Those videos are serious fked up.

RIP, and condolences to the family, friends and colleagues who have lost someone today.

[croyde]

Quite often when people are shot it takes a short time before they die.

Many manage to run, drive away or even shoot back before they succumb to their wounds.

That's why US cops keep shooting until the suspect stops moving.

Awful stuff. I'm a cameraman and in crowded volatile situations, I do worry sometimes about maybe getting knifed.

I've been punched and have had bottles and other missiles thrown at me, but at least in the UK I know that it is pretty unlikely that I'd be shot at.

[Rosscow]

bhstewie said:

Rosscow said:

I've seen that, and something looks fishy. The female reporter manages to scream, turn around and run away after seemingly being shot at pretty much point blank range in the chest, and continues to run whilst he shoots her again and again.

Are you an expert in how people react after being shot?

People post some weird stuff sometimes.

Not at all - and maybe I'm just expecting to see some Hollywood bloodfest, but there isn't anything to acknowledge that she's been hit by a bullet.

I'd at least expect her to stagger a bit with the force of the shot - she doesn't move, just flinches, screams and then pegs it despite being shot again and again.

I reckon he's actually missed her somehow with the first shot (which seems impossible from the footage!).

[Russ35]

Apparently he is still alive although in a critical condition.

[No Bend]

Rosscow said:

bhstewie said:

Rosscow said:

I've seen that, and something looks fishy. The female reporter manages to scream, turn around and run away after seemingly being shot at pretty much point blank range in the chest, and continues to run whilst he shoots her again and again.

Are you an expert in how people react after being shot?

People post some weird stuff sometimes.

Not at all - and maybe I'm just expecting to see some Hollywood bloodfest, but there isn't anything to acknowledge that she's been hit by a bullet.

I'd at least expect her to stagger a bit with the force of the shot - she doesn't move, just flinches, screams and then pegs it despite being shot again and again.

I reckon he's actually missed her somehow with the first shot (which seems impossible from the footage!).

It's nothing like hollywood makes up. It all depends on what type of round he's shooting into them, and what size. Unless people have been shot in the head they aren't killed instantly. A lot of people who have been shot or stabbed don't realise what has happened to them right away.

[Mastodon2]

Rosscow said:

Not at all - and maybe I'm just expecting to see some Hollywood bloodfest, but there isn't anything to acknowledge that she's been hit by a bullet.

I'd at least expect her to stagger a bit with the force of the shot - she doesn't move, just flinches, screams and then pegs it despite being shot again and again.

I reckon he's actually missed her somehow with the first shot (which seems impossible from the footage!).

He wouldn't have to miss, you might not even see her flinch. It's not uncommon for people who've been shot to not even realise it, this isn't the movies, people don't just fall down dead as soon as the bullet touches them.

I've seen this video, that is some seriously cold st. Looks like the crew and the interviewee didn't even notice him waving the gun about as he hesitates. I sort of hope Vester pulls through, hopefully he'll be a right fking mess and have a long, painful life ahead of him.

[Ikemi]

Apparently the suspect was a former employee of the news station and had a grudge of some nature against the two victims ... Very sad

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vester-lee-fla...

[Tonto]

bhstewie said:

I do wonder if merely having access to guns is the issue as I simply struggle working out what makes people do this kind of thing.

Make handguns legal in the UK and do you think we'd see this kind of thing?

Handguns are not illegal in the UK. I know of 2 people with them.

[bitchstewie]

Tonto said:

bhstewie said:

I do wonder if merely having access to guns is the issue as I simply struggle working out what makes people do this kind of thing.

Make handguns legal in the UK and do you think we'd see this kind of thing?

Handguns are not illegal in the UK. I know of 2 people with them.

Respectfully, you know what I was saying - make handguns as readily available in the UK as they are in most of the USA and do you think we'd see a similar degree of craziness?

I don't think we would, I might be wrong, but to me it points to something a little deeper than people flipping but just happening to have a gun to hand so they use it.

[lauda]

Tonto said:

Handguns are not illegal in the UK. I know of 2 people with them.

As I understand it, certain types of 'non-military' handguns are permitted in the UK.

I'm not saying that you couldn't kill someone with one of these but their primary purpose is not to kill and therefore it would be more difficult to use them to commit the sorts of atrocities that seem to be increasingly frequent in the US.

[Oakey]

Luke. said:

Something looks fishy? Come again?

Don't you understand everything is a conspiracy these days? That the media is lying to you?

Wake up sheeple!

[Calletrece]

NDA said:

Just dreadful... such a waste.

I'm not sure releasing the footage of these deaths will serve any purpose - other than to cause pain to the friends and family of those who died.

It does serve a purpose, it means everyone gets to vicariously watch the crazy world of America and get off on people dying.

Seriously though, does everything have to be so yank based!? Hundreds die in the 3rd world, not a peep. Some nutter in a country of nutters shoots someone else and everyone in the UK tosses themselves into a frenzy over the footage of it.

[AJL308]

Rosscow said:

Not at all - and maybe I'm just expecting to see some Hollywood bloodfest, but there isn't anything to acknowledge that she's been hit by a bullet.

I'd at least expect her to stagger a bit with the force of the shot - she doesn't move, just flinches, screams and then pegs it despite being shot again and again.

I reckon he's actually missed her somehow with the first shot (which seems impossible from the footage!).

I really dislike commenting on things like this so soon after they have happened. Read up on how ineffectual pistol rounds can actually be. In the infamous Miami shootout of 1986 the FBI literally peppered two assailants with pistol rounds before they went down. The final one, if memory serves, only stopped after being hit with a 12ga solid slug or heavy buck-shot or something. The two suspects were shot 18 times between them, one 6 times the other 12. Both kept shooting back and managed to kill FBI agents until the final shots which killed them.

[NDA]

Calletrece said:

NDA said:

Just dreadful... such a waste.

I'm not sure releasing the footage of these deaths will serve any purpose - other than to cause pain to the friends and family of those who died.

It does serve a purpose, it means everyone gets to vicariously watch the crazy world of America and get off on people dying.

Seriously though, does everything have to be so yank based!? Hundreds die in the 3rd world, not a peep. Some nutter in a country of nutters shoots someone else and everyone in the UK tosses themselves into a frenzy over the footage of it.

I wouldn't want to see anyone die to be honest - 3rd world or otherwise.

[AJL308]

bhstewie said:

Respectfully, you know what I was saying - make handguns as readily available in the UK as they are in most of the USA and do you think we'd see a similar degree of craziness?

I don't think we would, I might be wrong, but to me it points to something a little deeper than people flipping but just happening to have a gun to hand so they use it.

The massive problem in the USA is the seemingly large proportion of people who have serious undiagnosed (or even diagnosed) mental illness. When you look at a lot of shootings, especially the big ones, it's pretty clear that those perpetrating them have some very serious issues. The guy in this one seems to be going that way judging by his social media stuff. Look at the kid who did the Cinema shootings - clearly a first class nutter.

The fact that the USA seems utterly unwilling to establish any form of universal health care - even if only for mentally unbalanced people - is their real problem.

[AJL308]

lauda said:

As I understand it, certain types of 'non-military' handguns are permitted in the UK.

I'm not saying that you couldn't kill someone with one of these but their primary purpose is not to kill and therefore it would be more difficult to use them to commit the sorts of atrocities that seem to be increasingly frequent in the US.

Nope. Not what that law says at all.

You cannot have any cartridge loading firearm which has a shorter than 300mm barrel and which is shorter than 600mm overall. Subject to certain exemptions. Those exemptions are, quite frankly, huge. Essentially, the *only* potential exemption which is not allowed is competitive target shooting.

Ironically, one of the exemptions for having an otherwise prohibited handgun is for the purpose of starting races at athletic meetings. So you can have them for officiating at certain sporting events but you can't have one to engage in the *sport* of target shooting!! Utter madness.

[Mermaid]

, troubling.

[Oakey]

AJL308 said:

The massive problem in the USA is the seemingly large proportion of people who have serious undiagnosed (or even diagnosed) mental illness. When you look at a lot of shootings, especially the big ones, it's pretty clear that those perpetrating them have some very serious issues. The guy in this one seems to be going that way judging by his social media stuff. Look at the kid who did the Cinema shootings - clearly a first class nutter.

The fact that the USA seems utterly unwilling to establish any form of universal health care - even if only for mentally unbalanced people - is their real problem.

So the issue is people with mental health problems, not the prolific availability of guns?

[walm]

Rosscow said:

I'd at least expect her to stagger a bit with the force of the shot.

The force is - at most - equal to that absorbed by the shooter in the recoil.
i.e. not much.
And if the bullet went straight through then considerably less.

Flying backwards when shot is 100% Hollywood - otherwise people firing the guns would be flying backwards too.

[johnfm]

Rosscow said:

I've seen that, and something looks fishy. The female reporter manages to scream, turn around and run away after seemingly being shot at pretty much point blank range in the chest, and continues to run whilst he shoots her again and again.

Same production company (Tinfoil Productions LLC) who filmed and edited the moon landings.