Looks like there are a lot of benefit fraudsters out there..

[Jasandjules]

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/08/27/known-num...

I don't know if it is true but if it is, it would appear many people have died simply to claim benefits..............

[kowalski655]

It will make IDS happy-at least when they are dead they cant claim

[wolves_wanderer]

People too ill to work die at a greater rate than healthy people. Stop the presses

[wc98]

i would have thought the majority of posters in this forum would be happy at an increase in the death rate of "scroungers" as they are often described.
strange how other groups (business owners,landed gentry to name but two) that receive significant tax payer subsidies for many things ordinary people have to fork out on their own for, are never classed as the same. funny old world.

[kowalski655]

wolves_wanderer said:

People too ill to work die at a greater rate than healthy people. Stop the presses

But odd that the people found to be fit for some work,and so of the long term benefits list, also die off at a higher rate!

[wolves_wanderer]

kowalski655 said:

wolves_wanderer said:

People too ill to work die at a greater rate than healthy people. Stop the presses

But odd that the people found to be fit for some work,and so of the long term benefits list, also die off at a higher rate!

I don't know but when the article states

article said:

For example, the work-related activity group is composed entirely of people who are expected to recover from their illnesses and be well enough to return to work within a year. In that group, there should be no deaths at all – barring accidents. Why have nearly 10,000 people lost their lives after being assigned there?

It makes me assume that they don't have any more idea than me.

[andymadmak]

wc98 said:

i would have thought the majority of posters in this forum would be happy at an increase in the death rate of "scroungers" as they are often described.
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Then it is quite clear that you really do not understand the mindset of the "majority of posters in this forum"

[wc98]

andymadmak said:

Then it is quite clear that you really do not understand the mindset of the "majority of posters in this forum"

hmm,quite possible ,maybe many posters rather than the majority would have been more appropriate.

[Jasandjules]

wolves_wanderer said:

People too ill to work die at a greater rate than healthy people. Stop the presses

Actually, people declared fit for work or too well for ill health benefits die.........

[Justayellowbadge]

30,000 deaths a year.

Total deaths somewhere above 500,000.

So around 5% or so are claiming.


Population of uk around 60 million.

Numbers claiming some form of incapacity benefit - around 3 million.

So around 5% or so are claiming.

[r11co]

100% of people die.

article said:

the work-related activity group is composed entirely of people who are expected to recover from their illnesses and be well enough to return to work within a year. In that group, there should be no deaths at all – barring accidents.

That statement says enough to completely discredit any analysis or conclusions the author has drawn. What he is saying is that if you are in the 'work related activity group' you are immune from death by natural causes.

bks!

Edited by r11co on Thursday 27th August 12:36

[FredClogs]

Tory evolutionary theory, survival of the richest.

[BlackLabel]

The Incapacity Benefit/ESA reforms have been a major fk up by the government. They've missed target after target. Even the Disability Living Allowance to Personal Independence Payment transition hasn't gone as planned. It seems they've made a lot of 'reforms' but very little money has actually been saved.

http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/welfare-savings-and-in...

[r11co]

FredClogs said:

Tory evolutionary theory, survival of the richest.

That is what the article is attempting to assert through statistical fraudery.

[Murph7355]

wc98 said:

...
strange how other groups (business owners,landed gentry to name but two) that receive significant tax payer subsidies for many things ordinary people have to fork out on their own for, are never classed as the same. funny old world.

Do you have examples of what they get that you want? And why you aren't a business owner?

[walm]

Jasandjules said:

Actually, people declared fit for work or too well for ill health benefits die.........

In other news, ACTUAL WORKERS also die.

[iphonedyou]

FredClogs said:

Tory evolutionary theory, survival of the richest.

You don't have a clue, fella.

[esxste]

It's not hard to understand the reality of the situation. Government has employed a private company to check peoples eligibility for Incapacity/disability benefits in order to cut fraudulent claims and save money. This company charges for this service. In order to ensure savings are made, a certain amount of people need to be kicked off the benefit.

It doesn't really matter if some of those people do actually need the benefit.

[loafer123]

I had an interesting discussion in the US.

Apparently one state brought in a requirement that to receive food stamps you had to do voluntary work for 9.5 hours a week and 85% of people withdrew their claims.

[Einion Yrth]

esxste said:

It's not hard to understand the reality of the situation.

You mean it's not hard to make up hysterical stories, and in that you're right.